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kuresu
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Message 40 of 300 (389118)
03-10-2007 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Hyroglyphx
03-10-2007 11:56 AM


Re: What is atheism?
If, however, he has all-knowledge, he himself would be God
not necessarily true. This idea of an all-knowing god holds for the abrahamic gods, and that's about it. Tell me, just how many times did the greek gods screw up because they did not know something? Or the Viking gods? How about the majority of gods--they tend to not be all-knowing.
So, being "all-knowing" is not a qualification for god. It is a qualification for abrahamic gods, a small subsect of the immense diversity of gods.

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kuresu
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Message 43 of 300 (389128)
03-10-2007 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Hyroglyphx
03-10-2007 1:33 PM


Re: Clarifying positions
There is a reason why polls are showing that atheists are among the most distrusted people. Who wants to hang around elitist mentalities that do not believe in any real set of morals?
The hell? The number one reason people don't trust others is this: they are not me. Atheists do not believe in God(s). That puts them clearly in the group of "not me" for theists. The second reason? A misunderstanding. You make that clear here, when it comes to morality and the atheist. Of course you wouldn't trust them, because you misunderstand their position.
Your claim about "no real set of morals" is bullshit. I have a pretty damn good moral compass, thank you very much, and it hardly ever fails me. And I'm fairly consistent in my application. Just because I don't define my morals the same way as you do or the guy down the street does not mean that I've no "real set". Even you christians would have "no real set" by your definition. Tell me, do all you billion plus christians follow or adhere to the same moral code? I doubt it.
Relativism does not give you an easy out. That's not what it says. It basically says that you and I (when speaking of morals) have two diffferent moral codes. That there is no absolute code. That does not mean, I repeat, does not mean, that I don't have to follow my code, or that you don't have to follow your code.

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kuresu
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Message 48 of 300 (389134)
03-11-2007 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by crashfrog
03-11-2007 12:10 AM


Re: Rebutting myths about atheism
then what about tentativity? we're pretty positive that the ball will drop when we let go of it. Not absolutely positive, right?
besides, is it more effective to make generalizations or to test every single possible case? If science were completely deductive, methinks it would be quite stuck.

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kuresu
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Message 51 of 300 (389137)
03-11-2007 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Hyroglyphx
03-11-2007 12:30 AM


Re: Clarifying positions
By and large, atheists believe that life is purposeless
again, the hell? Apparently feeling that living for the moment is important, and love of family and life, and all that other good stuff is irrelavent? Dude, life has a purpose. It's up to each of us to define that purpose. Most atheists do not think that life has no purpose, no meaning. See, it's not the "purposelessness" that gets people to mistrust atheists, its these kinds of misunderstandings and mischaracterizations that people have of us. You mistrust atheists because you think they think life has no purpose. You are wrong on that count. jeez.
Then what is God since virtually every civilization in human history has worshipped some form of God, whether by concept or by design.
arguments from authority are crap, and you know it. And this is one massive argument from/of authority.
What is God then?
he answered that question--a nonexistant bogeyman that makes people feel better.

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