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Message 35 of 300 (389111)
03-10-2007 7:30 PM


NJ, please give an honest answer to this question:
Are you agnostic regarding the existence of the Norse god Loki? Are you a weak atheist? Are you a strong atheist?
Please answer honestly, and explain your answer in light of your discussion of these labels in Message 6.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 37 of 300 (389115)
03-10-2007 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Straggler
03-10-2007 7:56 PM


Re: NJ, please give an honest answer to this question:
You pre-empter you!
What you say is accurate, but it misses the point of my question, which is why I specifically asked him to explain his answer in in light of his previous discussion. IMO, if he simply responds as you have suggested, it'll be a cop out.
{AbE} What's more, I'm not proposing this question to expose flaws in the thestic position as much as I am to expose flaws in NJ's discussion.
Edited by subbie, : No reason given.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 66 of 300 (389180)
03-11-2007 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Hyroglyphx
03-11-2007 1:54 PM


Re: NJ, please give an honest answer to this question:
You can't be an atheist to one God, and a believer to another. They cancel each other out since atheism is defined as a belief in no gods or anything supernatural.
That's simply dodging the question. I refuse to believe that you are so obtuse that you didn't know what I meant.
In all honesty, I realize that I cannot disprove Loki.
I didn't ask what you could prove. I asked what you believe. These are two different questions.
Your reply is disappointing, but not unexpected. It's a question I have posed many times to people who say that the absence of evidence is an insufficient reason to believe that no gods exist. They usually reply as you did, claiming that they leave open the possiblity that Loki, or Santa Claus, or the tooth fairy, might indeed exist. I find that response disingenuous at best and simply an outright falsehood at worst. But of course, it is the response that all theists must give, unless they are willing to concede that the atheist position that no gods exist is a rational one.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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