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mike the wiz
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Message 93 of 98 (111867)
05-31-2004 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Asgara
08-19-2003 4:56 PM


Re: well........
If I am to apply the recent logic, that God's knowing the outcome means we don't have freewill. Then surely I can apply it to you and your future children? Isn't it a double standard to say their belief has nothing to do with your being here? I mean, your existence might well be similar to the painting, yes - you might end up agnostic, but there is another outcome - future Asgara babes! And now you say that your existence is only your existence alone??? Can't I then say you are getting rid of mutual exclusivity when it suits your argument? If their belief outweighs the unbelieving fututre Asgara
babes then the outcome is justified. The whole "blame God" thing is flawed baba. You see, I can surely say that God's creation has nothing to do with our future decisions aswell.
I mean, if your existence means that many, many future Asgara babes are saved then surely your existence might be very significant. Not that you aren't saved either - I won't assume anyone is saved/unsaved, BUT are you seeing how the logic applied by your side allows me to justify the outcome?
This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 05-31-2004 03:47 PM

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mike the wiz
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From: u.k
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Message 96 of 98 (111921)
05-31-2004 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Asgara
05-31-2004 6:19 PM


Re: well........
Hi Mikey, Cute avatar...always knew you were a little delusional LOL
Are you saying I am not the real Batman? Please provide a link for you proving of the negative.
My decendents' beliefs, while maybe a mitagating factor, still have nothing to do with the fact that IF an omniscient, sole creator of life exists, then he created me to be an agnostic.
No. He says that he wishes all will believe and repent. You see, he created you to be Asgara. You see, your kids and your agnosticism (is that a word) - are both side effects of your own freewill. I just don't think there has to be a connection.
You also keep forgetting that I don't believe in your god...so how can I blame him for anything?
But let's be honest, you do want to blame him if he is real. That's okay though, he's already took the blame. Jesus Christ payed the debt, that's my God. So, if you aren't against my God - fair enough. I still think you aren't trying to see that mutual exclusivity is not an absolute certainty. If He created you for you, and not your kids, then in the same way he could create the earth despite the outcome - An Asgara for Asgara's sake + an earth for the earth's sake.

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