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THEONE 
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Message 3 of 98 (36744)
04-11-2003 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Mike Holland
04-07-2003 6:05 AM


When it states we were created in image of God it does not mean that God is a physical being and that we are like him in that manner. This is unfortunately the misunderstandings of the Mormon church and even some evangelicals. In the Hebrew language Image - "tselem" - is related to nature, the immaterial part of man. It means we have a spiritual nature like God in a finite way. likeness- Hebrew "Demuth" does not mean in a physical sense. This means we have a spiritual nature like God, God is Spirit (or energy). The similarity is we have finite qualities like God. Qualities such as free will. But human mind is limited, and therefore lacks the ability to conceive of God (who is perfect). So the scripture describes God in familiar terms, in order for us to grasp aspects of God's character.

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THEONE 
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Message 10 of 98 (36868)
04-12-2003 9:39 PM


"For that matter, can you provide evidence of the limits of the human mind?"
I'll try...
In theory everything we need to know we can learn.
I doubt that this theory is correct, simply because the amount of information stored in our universe in FINITE, not INFINITE.
To retain a piece of knowledge an electron in our brain (or in a computer) must be elevated to a higher potential. That is, some amount of energy must be added to it. In other words, storage of information requires energy. Our universe has only finite amount of energy in it (that is if we stick to the Big Bang theory, of course). So this means it can only store a finite amount of information. A finite amount of KNOWLEDGE. Same thing goes for utilizing the knowledge, thinking process I guess. It also needs a certain amount of energy (which is limited in our universe).
Don't get me wrong, we are far, far away from reaching our limit, however the fact is that in theory that limit exists. Kind of like in billions of years the Sun will die and so is most of life on earth including humans. That's our limit of surviving in this solar system. I won't worry about it, my kids and grand kids won't worry about it, but the fact is - it exists.
As far as me saying that god is perfect, what I meant is that he is all knowing, possesing the ultimate knowledge. To me that is perfection. As I mentioned in my first reply, I consider G-d as an eternal unity, eternal energy, (spirit). Physics prove that it takes energy to store knowledge (information). That means that god has access to all knowledge stored in our universe at any given moment of time or any place there in. That's perfect.

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THEONE 
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Message 12 of 98 (36881)
04-12-2003 11:22 PM
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04-12-2003 9:53 PM


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So are you saying that because of a finite universe that a creator would be limited?
Not at all. I belive that G-d created our finite universe, thru the process of big bang and guided evolution, but that means that he also exsists outside of our physical, finite universe. In that sense he is not limited, but our ability to understand him fully is. Based on our 5 senses we can only know His TOTALITY in our finite universe, not outside it (unless we utilize some other senses... any ideas on that?)
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So what is God to you? Is He energy?
To me G-d is Eternal Unity, the light or energy that brings life into the physical world (the world He has created).

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THEONE 
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Message 14 of 98 (36886)
04-13-2003 1:29 AM
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04-12-2003 11:42 PM


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Which God is this?
I'm under impression that there's only one God???
I guess u can call him different names which apply to different aspects of his being. For example in Judaism there's 72 names for
G-d. Islam has different, multiple names as well. Christianity I believe uses just G-d (not sure). But in any case, G-d is one. (IMO, of course)
My personal understanding of God, comes from Jewish religion with Kabbalistic twist, so to speak. Even though there are different names, the Jews mostly relate to G-d as "Adonai/Elohim", hebrew for Eternal One. One, not in sense of "number one" or "the only one" but more like Unity. Kabbalah explains Creator as "Light" (energy).

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THEONE 
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Message 16 of 98 (36918)
04-13-2003 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by David unfamous
04-13-2003 10:46 AM


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Well I've had this discussion before, and I'd like to know how you know that your God knows what you look like. Or what I look like for that matter?
How is this question relevant to the existence of G-d or the validity of G-d's existence? Or nature of G-d for that matter?
I guess I can respond to this question anyways. My belief is that G-d is Unity. To say more, I don't relate to G-d as if He is a BEING (of any kind). Rather, I stick to Jewish doctrine that He is an INTELECT.
With that said, I belief that our own intelects are part of G-d's Intelect (part of this Unity). Therefore he knows everything I know and everything that you know, and everything that everybody knows (and MUCH, MUCH MORE). Therefore, if you know how you look... He knows as well.

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