In His own image .....

The God of the Bible.1)omnipotent
2)omnipresent
3)omniscience
4)omnipotentWe are none of these things. In His image just means we have some of His basic attributes but limited. So when He made Adam He was not worried because He already knows everything. We can have a million PHD's but we still understand nothing compared to an all powerful and all knowing eternal creator God. When someone says we have evolved from a lower animal I'm sure you know what I and many others will ask.1)Were you there and where is the evidence?According to the Bible when God created the heavens and the earth there was no sin so there was no death. It was very good. It was paradise. They were eternal and not corrupted by sin. Thats why it says the wages of sin is death. So when Adam and Eve were tested by God to see if they would obey and love Him they rebelled. By their own choice because if not love is rendered meaningless. So God had to judge the world and it was cursed. So we have suffered from 6,000 years of the curse. So man doesn't look as Adam and Eve did. So death came into the world and that is why Christ died. To free the cursed creation from death and restore it back to the original purpose. Thats why it says the earth is growning to be restored back to its original state. And we see this clearly in the evironment. Everything was change. Even the animals. They didn't eat eachother before the curse. A good God would not create something as we see it.I'm asking this as very serious question.1)Does that or in the beginning was a big bang sound like a fairy tale?[This message has been edited by drummachine, 04-12-2003]

NosyNed,Would you please be willing to give me evidence of the big bang?Look at the machine-like system of man. By chance?If evolution is true which I believe is impossible its like saying a blind folded chimp can build a microsoft program.

TheOne, Sure! Do you know what I look like? So are you saying that because of a finite universe that a creator would be limited?So what is God to you? Is He energy?

TheOne,Which God is this?

Mike Holland, Actually He did not make us like this. For example when He created man there was no sin so there was no death. So there was no hatered in man. And we have to look at the context of all scripture. I believe He doesn't hate us but He hates sin. For example the Amalekites. They were a nation that for 400 years they were sacrificing children on altars. And they were raping, killing and destroying the Israelites and whoever they came into contact with. It must have been incredibly wicked! Yes God is love. But He is righteous and is without sin. Thats why it talks about His just judgement of wrath on men because for example He gives them 400 years to repent. But God has shown His salvation to us. His just judgement was placed on His Son 2,000 years ago at the cross. Because He foreknew that man would sin. So He has provided justification freely for all. If those who are willing to admit they have sinned against a holy God and if they only receive. Right before Christ died He was in such agony about Going to the cross for man. He was literally sweating blood. The medical term is Hematidrosis

David unfamous, This is King David writing 3,000 years ago. This is an incredible passage about a little glimpse of who and how great He is.Psa 139: O LORD, You have searched me and known {me.} You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar. You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways. Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all. You have enclosed me behind and before, And laid Your hand upon me. {Such} knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is {too} high, I cannot attain to it. Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me. If I say, "Surely the darkness will overwhelm me, And the light around me will be night," Even the darkness is not dark to You, And the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike {to You.} For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully [and] wonderfully made: marvellous [are] thy works; and [that] my soul knoweth right well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, {And} skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained {for me,} When as yet there was not one of them. How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God! How vast is the sum of them! If I should count them, they would outnumber the sand. When I awake, I am still with You.

Mike,The creation was perfect. I believe Satan was created before the world. Because it says the angels were rejoicing when God was creating. This is a great mystery to us all. This invisible kingdom. I believe Satan was created perfectly. He's not a red horned devil like creature. His name is Lucifer. It means light bearer. He was a guardian angel around the throne of God. It says he was a cherubim and he lead worship. Now we see what has happened to music with his influence. This is a description of who he is and what happened to him. Though this is just one passage from the Old Testament. There are a few. He was created for a puropese that was good but he turned against God so God had to banish him from heaven. I believe the creation wasn't tainted at the time of his rebellion. I'm not dogmatic about it but it seems to fit.Isaiah 14:12-20 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 "Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?' 18 "All the kings of the nations, All of them, sleep in glory, Everyone in his own house; 19 But you are cast out of your grave Like an abominable branch, Like the garment of those who are slain, Thrust through with a sword, Who go down to the stones of the pit, Like a corpse trodden underfoot. 20 You will not be joined with them in burial.

Brian,It says that before Adam and Eve sinned there was no death. Also before the fall animals didn't eat eachother. Animals and humans were vegetarian. So we live in a fallen state. I believe when God said "very good" it was perfect. God brings life but man has brought death.

Mike,How was my interpretation inconsistent? I believe Satan was banned from heaven but that he wasn't a part of the Genesis account. So he went to the earth.I believe God created us so we could have a relationship with Him.How is YEC a deception? I believe evolution is deception. It is impossible to get life from non-life. I believe God is Sovereign and not a dictator but He gives man free will. Satan is a murderer yet man does the same thing. So to blame God or Satan for our own sin is false accusation. I did most of my life. Yet we have all sinned and God has made one way for us to be saved. Through the death of the Son of God and not by works. He suffered more than any man but it says it was because of the joy set before Him that He endured. What is that joy? You and I.[This message has been edited by drummachine, 04-21-2003]

May I please have some evidence for the old age theory?

Percipient,1)The YEC scientists have never said they didn't like science but they are saying that evolution is not science. And many evolutionists are becoming creationists. Look at Duane Gish. I believe he has debated over 300 evolutionists over 30 years and there are many who will not debate him. Were not here to tear eachother apart with insults but to look at the facts. They do have some of their conferences at churches but many are not. I just went to one that was at a banquet hall. There were like 5,000 people there. Without a doubt I believe there were people there who are not Christians.2)So all your claims about them "cheating" or being "liars" or whatever, where is your evidence if you don't mind? Whats great about YEC we start with the One who was there and has the answer. But we are sinful-fallen-brain creatures. There is much deception in the world today(the occult). As an evolutionists do you believe your evolving to a god-like stage? Because this theory is increasingly daily in the world.

Coragyps,I believe animals ate plants and bugs and things like that because they didn't have the same life principle as a giraffe for example. For one example look at the teeth on a panda. It has sharp teeth like a cat but it eats plants. I believe if God created everything perfect He wouldn't have had animals eating eachother and it says He didn't. But there has been a change since the fall. We don't know what a perfect world is like.

"Life principle" meaning nephesh. These are animals like cattle. With flesh and blood that were not given for food but plants, bugs, etc. for animals to eat. Adam and Eve I'm sure they ate vegetables, fruits, bread, nuts, etc. but not meat. After the fall things changed because blood had to be given for their sin. Animal instincts changed because they were not originally created to eat each other.This might help your question.
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Percipient,1)Do you have evidence for their false information?2)Maybe schools for example are not moving to teaching creation because creation means Creator so it means He sets the rules. But people believe that He desires to condemn them. Because there are terrible things in the world and He will not stop He's a monster. But He has provided th free gift of Salvation and peace from Him starts with ourselves. For example kids in California are being taught Islam. They are dressing up, praying and reading the Qur'an. I know one kid that's 17. He cannot even bring a Bible to school. So that's where the school is. There teaching millions In the beginning were the particles...3)Of course most evolutionists are not becoming creations but there are still many turning to the God of Love. Maybe check out this site if interested.EVOLUTIONARY PARANOIA
Acts and Facts Magazine | The Institute for Creation Research

This discussion is about what animals and man ate before the fall. At least that's what I thought it was. Was I wrong?