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Author Topic:   Conversations with God
ringo
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Message 481 of 526 (905300)
01-22-2023 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 473 by Phat
01-20-2023 12:42 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Phat writes:
Ted Cruz recently took on your beloved AOC
She isn't my "beloved AOC". I never heard of her until you called her a "harpy". And I'm still waiting for you to explain why you called her a "harpy" (along with Kamala Harris) when you didn't even know what the word meant. Answer that question before you post any more stupid videos.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 482 of 526 (905301)
01-22-2023 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by Phat
01-21-2023 7:50 AM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
Cruz may be the son of immigrants but he has every right to tough opinions on immigration.
To his dying day, my father supported the internment of Japanese Canadians (and Americans) during the war. Many of them had been BORN in Canada (or the US) of Japanese immigrants.
The irony: My father himself was born in Canada of German immigrants. By his own logic, HE should have been interned too.
Children of immigrants do have a right to stupid opinions. We don't need to look stupid by defending them.
Phat writes:
What you and Damselfly fail to grasp is the necessity of a two party system to preserve nationalism and prevent social democratic globalism from defining the destiny and meaning of our Republic.
You and your primitive two-party system.
1. A two-party system does not necessarily preserve nationalism.
2. Nationalism is not necessarily a good thing.
3. A two-party system does not necessarily prevent globalism.
4. Globalism is not necessarily a bad thing.
5. Get more parties.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 483 of 526 (905302)
01-22-2023 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by Tanypteryx
01-20-2023 11:21 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Phat writes:
Watching him self-radicalize I find to be personally alarming, along with his expanding lack of self-awareness.
I wonder when he's going to start doing his hair like Trump.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 484 of 526 (905352)
01-24-2023 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by ringo
01-22-2023 2:29 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Ted Cruz dismantles a Biden nominee once again.
I wont reconfigure my hair like Trump anytime soon but I do like Ted Cruz in his approach to this whole gender identity pickle that the liberals seem to embrace (largely due to the additional votes it will bring in)

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 485 of 526 (905354)
01-24-2023 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by ringo
01-22-2023 2:27 PM


Re: Conversations
ringo writes:
Children of immigrants do have a right to stupid opinions. We don't need to look stupid by defending them.
Perhaps, but you owe it to yourselves to at least hear the arguments before criticizing them.
1. A two-party system does not necessarily preserve nationalism.
True.
2. Nationalism is not necessarily a good thing.
Nor is globalism necessarily a good thing.
3. A two-party system does not necessarily prevent globalism.
True. It was initially George HW Bush who proposed a "New World Order".
4. Globalism is not necessarily a bad thing.
It is if it runs over the US middle class.
5. Get more parties.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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NosyNed
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Message 486 of 526 (905355)
01-24-2023 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by Phat
01-24-2023 2:37 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
She sure did a totally poor job of that. But Cruz was, in effect, a fucking liar. It may well be that converting to natural gas has been a huge impact on the US CO2 emissions but that is deliberately avoiding the fact that gas is half as bad as coal.
Coal is terrible in so many ways that being half as bad as it is still disastrously bad. He thinks he's made some point. What he's actually shown is that the US has to get off gas too and fast.

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Taq
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Message 487 of 526 (905358)
01-24-2023 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 485 by Phat
01-24-2023 2:41 PM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
It is if it runs over the US middle class.
If you think inflation is bad now, try manufacturing all of our goods in the US.

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Phat
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Message 488 of 526 (905359)
01-24-2023 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 486 by NosyNed
01-24-2023 2:48 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
It seems to me that even if we *have to* get off fossil fuels (oil, gas, and coal) we cant make the transition as quickly as we would like. This will be yet another way for the middle class to get handed the bill for the transition and it will gut us in the process. Some compromise must be reached regarding the length of the transitional timeline. We are not simply going to suffer in order to be the heroes that save the planet. The entire world must share the bill.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 489 of 526 (905360)
01-24-2023 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by Taq
01-24-2023 3:09 PM


Re: Conversations
Taq writes:
If you think inflation is bad now, try manufacturing all of our goods in the US.
Noted. But we cant expect the US middle class to pay the global bill.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Taq
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Message 490 of 526 (905361)
01-24-2023 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by Phat
01-24-2023 3:18 PM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
But we cant expect the US middle class to pay the global bill.
They aren't, and no one is asking them to.

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Phat
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Message 491 of 526 (905363)
01-24-2023 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by Taq
01-24-2023 3:30 PM


Re: Conversations
Then you agree with me that the entire world must share the bill.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Taq
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Message 492 of 526 (905365)
01-24-2023 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 491 by Phat
01-24-2023 3:36 PM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
Then you agree with me that the entire world must share the bill.
Each country pays their own bills.

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Theodoric
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Message 493 of 526 (905366)
01-24-2023 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 491 by Phat
01-24-2023 3:36 PM


Re: Conversations
How about you ask the people with little good, fuel and almost no education how they feel about that. Then ask the billionaires.
I know, I know. Poor abused billionaires. It isn't their fault. Right?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
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Message 494 of 526 (905367)
01-24-2023 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 493 by Theodoric
01-24-2023 4:25 PM


Re: Conversations
the problem is that we will never get the billionaires to pay...and thus the bill trickles down to the midddle class...YOUR and MY class. Why cant everyone pay?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 495 of 526 (905368)
01-24-2023 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 492 by Taq
01-24-2023 4:04 PM


Re: Conversations
And it will be hard to get China to pay, though they are becoming the largest polluter

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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