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ringo
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Message 511 of 530 (905461)
01-27-2023 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 485 by Phat
01-24-2023 2:41 PM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
Perhaps, but you owe it to yourselves to at least hear the arguments before criticizing them.
Why don't you PRESENT the arguments?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Nationalism is not necessarily a good thing.
Nor is globalism necessarily a good thing.
Globalism is a REAL thing. There's no way to prevent it. It's a done deal. Nationalism can be, and should be, avoided.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
A two-party system does not necessarily prevent globalism.
True. It was initially George HW Bush who proposed a "New World Order".
Are you twelve years old? Hitler used the term.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Globalism is not necessarily a bad thing.
It is if it runs over the US middle class.
What's so special about the US middle class that it deserves a pass from reality?
To repeat, globalism IS. Whatever the consequences to the US middle class, globalism IS.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 512 of 530 (905463)
01-27-2023 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 488 by Phat
01-24-2023 3:16 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Phat writes:
We are not simply going to suffer in order to be the heroes that save the planet.
Yes. We are.
Even IF we manage to alleviate the situation somewhat, we are going to suffer.
Phat writes:
The entire world must share the bill.
Don't be stupid. YOU have no power to make the rest of the world do anything. You can only do what YOU can do.
If the wonderful US middle class foots the WHOLE bill and single-handedly stops global warming, it will be for YOUR benefit. So what if the rest of the world rides on your coat-tails and shares the benefits?
And if NOBODY but the wonderful US middle class lifts a finger and human civilization is destroyed, it will be YOU who suffers. So what if you have the rest of the world to blame? What do you gain by assigning blame?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 513 of 530 (905464)
01-27-2023 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 504 by Phat
01-25-2023 5:28 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Phat writes:
all politicians and commentators are biased in favor of their own ideology
As I have said before, ideologies are for lazy thinkers. That's why conservatism is an ideology. No need to think. Just look it up in Mein Trumpf.
Liberalism, on the other hand, is an ideal.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 514 of 530 (905465)
01-27-2023 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 501 by Phat
01-25-2023 8:36 AM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
you will see the groundswell of opposition to such authority
I have mentioned before, I have a book called The Illustrated History of the Third Reich. It has a photograph from the 1920s of a group of protestors, one of whom is holding up a sign, Es kommt der Tag der Abrechnung. Translation: "There will come a day of reckoning".
It did.
Be careful what you wish for.

(Disclaimer: I used Google Translate to reverse-engineer the quote from my memory of the translation.)

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 515 of 530 (905523)
01-29-2023 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 511 by ringo
01-27-2023 10:58 AM


Authoritarianism:What Phat Means
Upon rereading recent posts from many of you, I see where we all disagree on what I mean by authoritarianism. To elaborate:
Websters writes:
2
: of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people
an authoritarian regime
The reason that I see Democrats as authoritarian is because the elite within the party are becoming less for Americans (a far as favor towards) and seem to ignore constitutional responsibilities in favor of global responsibilities. Of, by and for the people refers to citizens of the US first rather than global citizens. Just as a man would feed his family before he fed the guys at the park.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003
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Message 516 of 530 (905524)
01-29-2023 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 513 by ringo
01-27-2023 11:17 AM


Conversations with ringo:Liberal idealist
ringo writes:
" Mein Trumpf.
"
Heil Orange? lol
Liberalism, on the other hand, is an ideal.
It sure is. As I said before, feed your family before the guys at the park. And don't just give them (your family) crumbs while feeding the hobo's loaves of bread. Perhaps I do think more of myself than I do my neighbor. Perhaps Jesus would not approve, I dunno. Does He expect me to remain poor simply to pay off the bill and bring everybody (even globally) up into my neighborhood? Is that what He means when He suggests that I deny myself?? Sometimes, Sasquatch, you play the role of BigFeet.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Theodoric
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Message 517 of 530 (905525)
01-29-2023 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 515 by Phat
01-29-2023 3:18 PM


Re: Authoritarianism:What Phat Means
Even when you post the definition you are wrong. What you claim and what the definition is are completely different.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 518 of 530 (905526)
01-29-2023 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 512 by ringo
01-27-2023 11:10 AM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
I just noticed this reply...AFTER making the previous post. As expected, you said just what I thought you would say. I will NEVER get you to listen to my complaining and whining and, ironically, I expect that Jesus won['t listen either.
If the wonderful US middle class foots the WHOLE bill and single-handedly stops global warming, it will be for YOUR benefit. So what if the rest of the world rides on your coat-tails and shares the benefits?
Both you and I can predict what will happen. The populists, who love Trump, will protest the unfairness of such an arraignment and will elect a new president Fuhrer and ruin the party for everyone.
You claim I am one of them, but I don't want that!
Even if the US goess 100% green, the other nations that refuse to get on board will still ruin the climate for all of us.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 519 of 530 (905527)
01-29-2023 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by Theodoric
01-29-2023 3:30 PM


Re: Authoritarianism:What Phat Means
Theo writes:
Even when you post the definition you are wrong. What you claim and what the definition is are completely different.
Im using dictionary sources. Do you know of a more accurate definition? I'd like to see it.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
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Message 520 of 530 (905528)
01-29-2023 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 519 by Phat
01-29-2023 3:36 PM


Re: Authoritarianism:What Phat Means
The definition is correct. Your use of it does not match the definition. You are manipulating the definition to fit your argument. The definition does not mean what you want it to mean.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 521 of 530 (905530)
01-29-2023 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by Phat
01-29-2023 3:33 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Why wipe your ass? You are just going to shit again. Might as well just fuck up the world quick as we can. Nothing we can do.
Actually the first country to perfect and implement green energy will be the superpower for at least two generations. China understands this. They also understand that their propaganda will keep the US from doing this.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 522 of 530 (905531)
01-29-2023 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by Theodoric
01-29-2023 3:48 PM


Re: Authoritarianism:What Phat Means
Perhaps the "authority" I am attacking is Jesus Himself. never thought of it that way before...

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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ringo
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Message 523 of 530 (905551)
01-30-2023 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 515 by Phat
01-29-2023 3:18 PM


Re: Authoritarianism:What Phat Means
Phat writes:
I see where we all disagree on what I mean by authoritarianism.
Because the rest of us are using the actual definition. You are using one you made up as an excuse to hate democracy.
Phat writes:
The reason that I see Democrats as authoritarian is because ...
The reason you see Democrats as authoritarian is because you're blinded by hatred.
Phat writes:
... the elite within the party are becoming less for Americans...
Not just the "elite", I hope it's all of them becoming less prejudiced toward Americans and more for what is good.
Phat writes:
... seem to ignore constitutional responsibilities...
It's the republicans who ignore constitutuional responsibilities, like not overthrowing the duly-elected government, not killing the Speaker of the House, that sort of thing.
Phat writes:
... in favor of global responsibilities.
And you accuse ME of trying to avoid responsibility.
You DO live on the globe, you know. You WILL have to face the consequences of everybody's global responsibilities, you know.
You should stop listening to right-wing lies.
Phat writes:
Of, by and for the people refers to citizens of the US first rather than global citizens.
Not really. That sounds like you're advocating the US being a rogue nation.
Phat writes:
Just as a man would feed his family before he fed the guys at the park.
A good man would teach his family to feed the guys at the park.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 524 of 530 (905552)
01-30-2023 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 516 by Phat
01-29-2023 3:26 PM


Re: Conversations with ringo:Liberal idealist
Phat writes:
Does He expect me to remain poor simply to pay off the bill and bring everybody (even globally) up into my neighborhood?
Yup.
Phat writes:
Is that what He means when He suggests that I deny myself??
What else could he possibly mean? How could you deny yourself without denying yourself?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Taq
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Message 525 of 530 (905553)
01-30-2023 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 519 by Phat
01-29-2023 3:36 PM


Re: Authoritarianism:What Phat Means
Phat writes:
Do you know of a more accurate definition? I'd like to see it.
quote:
authoritarianism, principle of blind submission to authority, as opposed to individual freedom of thought and action. In government, authoritarianism denotes any political system that concentrates power in the hands of a leader or a small elite that is not constitutionally responsible to the body of the people. Authoritarian leaders often exercise power arbitrarily and without regard to existing bodies of law, and they usually cannot be replaced by citizens choosing freely among various competitors in elections. The freedom to create opposition political parties or other alternative political groupings with which to compete for power with the ruling group is either limited or nonexistent in authoritarian regimes.
Authoritarianism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

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