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Phat
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Message 466 of 526 (905133)
01-18-2023 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 451 by ringo
01-13-2023 11:28 AM


Re: Corporations behaving badly
I meant to say anti-republican rather than anti authoritarian. One side supports their own brand of authoritarianism and villifies the other sides brand (of authoritarianism).
Your side opposes profiling, which is a valid argument, but what the shoplifters do is use that to their advantage. They steal right in front of your face while daring you to produce evidence that they are doing so. Granted it does not help to objectify and catergorize them, since everyone is an individual and does in fact have civil rights. The fact is, the bad apples hide in the midst of the masses and pick their target.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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ringo
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Message 467 of 526 (905189)
01-19-2023 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 466 by Phat
01-18-2023 11:33 PM


Re: Corporations behaving badly
Phat writes:
One side supports their own brand of authoritarianism...
Learn what authoritarian means.
Phat writes:
Your side opposes profiling...
Nope.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 468 of 526 (905190)
01-19-2023 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by ringo
01-19-2023 12:18 PM


Re: Corporations behaving badly
You seem to advocate looking the other way and letting these people get something for nothing at the expense of the rest of us. Sad.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Taq
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Message 469 of 526 (905192)
01-19-2023 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by Phat
01-18-2023 11:24 PM


Re: Personal Privacy vs Public Shaming
Phat writes:
Biden has as many skeletons and documents in his closet as Trump did. Why must the media protect one and not the other?
Biden discovered the documents and immediately handed them over. Biden didn't intentionally steal the documents from the government, nor did Biden lie about having them.
Trump purposefully stole the documents from the government, only returned some of them after being pressured by government agencies for more than a year, and lied about having more of the documents in his possession. They were in his freaking desk, for crying out loud.
That's the difference.

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ringo
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Message 470 of 526 (905194)
01-19-2023 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 468 by Phat
01-19-2023 12:20 PM


Re: Corporations behaving badly
Phat writes:
You seem to advocate looking the other way and letting these people get something for nothing at the expense of the rest of us.
As I have said twice before, the drugstore where I used to work REDUCED their anti-shoplifting measures. I'll repeat that, since you didn't seem to notice it before: They REDUCED their anti-shoplifting measures. Apparently, what they lost to shoplifting wasn't worth the expense of extra security measures AND the expense of backlash from false accusations, etc. (Imagine the uproar if a privileged white person was falsely accused.)
So it's the merchants, not me. Public relations is worth a lot.
Phat writes:
Sad.
There are much worse things than that to be sad about.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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DrJones*
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Message 471 of 526 (905232)
01-19-2023 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by Phat
01-18-2023 11:24 PM


Re: Personal Privacy vs Public Shaming
Biden has as many skeletons and documents in his closet as Trump did. Why must the media protect one and not the other?
boy Phat if you really think there is anything but surface similarities between the Biden and Trump document cases you're stupider than I thought.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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ringo
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Message 472 of 526 (905241)
01-20-2023 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 465 by Phat
01-18-2023 11:24 PM


Re: Personal Privacy vs Public Shaming
Phat writes:
Why must the media protect one and not the other?
They don't. Only a Trump-lover would think they do.
Phat writes:
And why are conservatives more likely to be idiots...
I have answered that question several times before, quoting John Stuart Mill. To paraphrase, conservatives don't have to be idiots but idiots tend to be conservative.
Conservatism looks for simple answers. The evil need simple answers to convince the simple-minded.
And conservatives are usually wrong because complex questions seldom have simple answers.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 473 of 526 (905244)
01-20-2023 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 472 by ringo
01-20-2023 11:25 AM


Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Thanks for your succinct explanation.
Ted Cruz recently took on your beloved AOC and showed the other side of the border argument that she glosses over.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Taq
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Message 474 of 526 (905250)
01-20-2023 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 473 by Phat
01-20-2023 12:42 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Phat writes:
Ted Cruz recently took on your beloved AOC and showed the other side of the border argument that she glosses over.
Would that be Ted Cruz, son of Rafael Cruz? Would this be the Rafael Cruz who immigrated from Cuba by attaining political asylum in the US?

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Phat
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Message 475 of 526 (905251)
01-20-2023 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 474 by Taq
01-20-2023 5:35 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
What's your point?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Tanypteryx
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Message 476 of 526 (905252)
01-20-2023 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 475 by Phat
01-20-2023 6:54 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Are you serious?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Theodoric
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Message 477 of 526 (905253)
01-20-2023 10:03 PM
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01-20-2023 8:08 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Yes he is that clueless.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 478 of 526 (905254)
01-20-2023 11:21 PM
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01-20-2023 10:03 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Watching him self-radicalize I find to be personally alarming, along with his expanding lack of self-awareness. It's like Déjà vu all over again, remembering some family members showing similar patterns of behavior.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Theodoric
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Message 479 of 526 (905255)
01-20-2023 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by Tanypteryx
01-20-2023 11:21 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Agreed. He used to be a bit off and woefully ignorant and uneducated. But now he has embraced ignorance. He has joined the attack on expertise and education. As you can see, I have no patience for his bullshit. I am going to more comment from the peanut gallery and engage less directly.
He has gotten a bit unstable and has made veiled references to knowing who I am. This is one of the few places my actual name isn't used but that is forum policy. But that he put effort into it is disturbing. He needs serious psychiatric intervention. I have no problem with assholes, I am one. I do have a problem with the willfully ignorant, racists and haters.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 480 of 526 (905260)
01-21-2023 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 479 by Theodoric
01-20-2023 11:52 PM


Re: Conversations
AOC may be educated but her socialist leaning policies are hardly expertise. Cruz may be the son of immigrants but he has every right to tough opinions on immigration. What you and Damselfly fail to grasp is the necessity of a two party system to preserve nationalism and prevent social democratic globalism from defining the destiny and meaning of our Republic.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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