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Archer Opteryx
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Message 179 of 264 (477863)
08-08-2008 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Coyote
08-01-2008 12:24 PM


Heinlein is quite the philosopher, yes.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 181 of 264 (477865)
08-08-2008 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by brendatucker
07-13-2008 2:35 PM


Re: Delusional fanatics
Hi, Brenda. I'm just curious about one detail you mentioned.
I went to school to study psychology so that I might be able to treat delusional fanatics. My studies took me into a search for possible causes for delusion. If you had a higher being attempting to take over your mind and body, you might have moments of difficulty in discerning who was who within you.
I'm interested in knowing more about what you studied.
What is it like for a person to have higher beings trying to take over mind and body?
To have difficulty discerning who is who within you--that sounds very frightening. What more can you tell us about this experience?
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Archer Opteryx
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Message 185 of 264 (477902)
08-09-2008 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by brendatucker
08-08-2008 2:33 PM


Re: Delusional fanatics
I tried to think through everything I knew and was and did. I tried to keep some degree of peace because I knew I was in danger of having mental health problems.
Did you at any point talk about this with a mental health professional?
I ask, because these are the experiences you describe:
1. being bestowed with a special message of cosmic importance that you have difficulty explaining logically;
2. feeling that multiple personalities within you are battling for control;
3. grandiose ambitions (you say you are a 'housewife' and mention no political experience, but you have decided to run for President of the United States);
4. belief that you are surrounded by hostile others determined to persecute or kill you;
5. fear for your mental health;
6. perception of kinship with self-destructive delusional groups like Heaven's Gate;
7. fear that your thoughts may lead you to be self-destructive.
Any one of these items, taken singly, is something to investigate with a mental health professional. In combination it becomes a case of run, don't walk.
You describe a situation that is personally overwhelming. You cannot possibly handle it alone. People with these problems do not just sit down on their own and organize their thoughts.
See for yourself. The messages you consistently get from others--that your statements are incoherent, that they can't understand your ideas, that your explanations make no sense--are red flags.
You need to be discussing these experiences with a qualified professional, not with us. Are you doing so? If not, it's time. Now.
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Archer Opteryx
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Message 201 of 264 (478739)
08-20-2008 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Larni
08-10-2008 7:50 AM


it's no different from the FSM or xianity.
It's altogether different. My concern is not personal philosophy, but psychological health.
Here are the red flags again:
1. being bestowed with a special message of cosmic importance that you have difficulty explaining logically;
2. feeling that multiple personalities within you are battling for control;
3. grandiose ambitions (you say you are a 'housewife' and mention no political experience, but you have decided to run for President of the United States);
4. belief that you are surrounded by hostile others determined to persecute or kill you;
5. fear for your mental health;
6. perception of kinship with self-destructive delusional groups like Heaven's Gate;
7. fear that your thoughts may lead you to be self-destructive.
Where did I mention theosophy? The list is philosophy-neutral. You can find atheists who show these symptoms and theosophists who don't. Illnesses don't care what books you read.
The issue is health. These are red flags: symptoms of recognized, serious disorders.
Effective treatments exist. But you have to go get them. You can't 'think' your way out of psychological disorders which often have physical causes and aspects.
If you a theosophist or an atheist or a Christian, available treatments don't make you something other than a theosophist or an atheist or a Christian--no more than a measles shot would. But effective treatments can help one become a less paranoid, less suicidal, more coherent, and better functioning person, whatever your belief system. They can help you function better in life and keep you from hurting yourself or someone else.
It was good advice, Brenda. Have you contacted a professional?
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