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Larni
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Message 196 of 264 (478599)
08-18-2008 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by brendatucker
08-18-2008 10:50 AM


Re: Self Reflection (but no progress).
Brenda, I'm right in thinking you have a degree in psychology, right?
I just bet you loved psychodynamic theory didn't you? What you just wrote is just the kind thing my psychodynamic professor used to come out with.
All of it does not matter. You are still in the position of having an idea in your head of how the world works that has failed to be accepted in the mainstream because it has no supporting evidence.
A bit like psychoanalytical theory, really.

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onifre
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Message 197 of 264 (478624)
08-18-2008 5:27 PM


Why is anyone entertaining this lunatic?
Sorry Brenda but you have yet to make any sense to those of us who are not on LSD...even though we wish we were

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

  
Larni
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Message 198 of 264 (478647)
08-19-2008 4:22 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by brendatucker
08-18-2008 10:52 AM


Re: A messenger to help clarify theosophy
brenda writes:
If people could hear these ideas that are found in books currently shuffled out of consideration, would we be better able to make choices concerning whether or not religion is a good thing in life?
The ideas contanined in The Secret Doctrine are rubbish ideas.
No one wants to waste valuable educational time on rubbish now, do they?

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brendatucker
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Message 199 of 264 (478725)
08-20-2008 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by Larni
08-19-2008 4:22 AM


Go beyond with me
Well, just for a second now - give me a few words or minutes of your time and try to conceptualize this problem with me.
As I have described, a higher kingdom is penetrating into your thinking - or my thinking - or anyone's thinking and we find out that they want to stay. They are not visiting. They want to make your body and mind their habitat until they can gain in "gravity" enough to make the changes that would produce their form out of ours.
By being in close association with us, they begin to feel more alive - or who can guess what is threatening them on this cyclical turning that forces them into seeking "further ground?"
Let's say you are experiencing this and you are quite accustomed to addressing them (as I have long practiced decrees with which I "pray" or ask for energies to be dispersed. As the decrees are written, I often took time to speak them out loud or "mentally.") and so now without those decrees because we have set the books down, we (either you or I or anyone, Joe Dohn, for example, wish to engage this higher kingdom.
How would we begin? Would there be a struggle? Would you ask permission to address the girasas?
What I need from you and other intellectual giants like yourself(ves) are ideas about how to progress with the scenario that I am describing to you. First, it would be very good, essential, in fact, to lay the groundwork. You don't want to begin making use of the girasas kingdom in some way until you have informed enough others that this is what you are doing. For instance, the results that we achieve after contact can only be reported if we have laid the foundation where people can understand what it is we are discussing and describing as having occurred, i.e. "We can't run the bases in baseball until they have been placed on the diamond."
So I first want to know if I can get time off from involvement with them to be a good mother. How can I ask and get an answer to that question? If my mind's attention is placed upon my children, will it be yanked back into some all-encompassing concern about the girasas kingdom and their needs and wants? How do I define the limits for the partnership and what means do I have to force a point when I find it to be an uncompromising dictate to my participation?
Then, after the mothering is set, what do we ask for? Crime fighting is good. Wealth or finance is another definite area from which to work as is producing cures for physical ailments. I guess I should get to know the exact girasas I am working with as opposed to the others who may have a variety of talents.
Within the "I AM" Temple, there are a myriad of figures with names and positions, however I'm not sure if I should ask for one of those with whom I am familiar due to them having current positions within another structure. Is it still so fluid (5th race is not a "paired" "binding" relationship) that I can pick and choose for just one task and then turn to a new figure to accomplish the next step?
You have to understand that I keep looking for miracles to happen, for light to burst through me somehow and cause an occurrence and then if it does, how can I document it and record it?
What fun is education if we are not allowed to ask the "big questions?" I remember my children's classes spending quite a bit of time on their adventures onto Mars - in space camp and in the classroom they would imagine themselves colonizing and setting up research stations on Mars. What's the difference?

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Larni
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From: Liverpool
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Message 200 of 264 (478736)
08-20-2008 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by brendatucker
08-20-2008 1:31 AM


Too beyond, already.
Okay. Lets do this systematically:
a higher kingdom is penetrating into your thinking - or my thinking - or anyone's thinking and we find out that they want to stay. They are not visiting. They want to make your body and mind their habitat until they can gain in "gravity" enough to make the changes that would produce their form out of ours.
This is only an opinion: there is absolutley no evidence for this assertion, is there?
By being in close association with us, they begin to feel more alive - or who can guess what is threatening them on this cyclical turning that forces them into seeking "further ground?"
The verasity of this statement all hangs on the assumption that the 'Kingdom' theory is true. Again, we cannot simply assume something is true. We must has evidence.
When you say "who can guess..." you could 'guess' just about anything, with no good reason because of the evidence problem you have (see above).
Let's say you are experiencing this and you are quite accustomed to addressing them (as I have long practiced decrees with which I "pray" or ask for energies to be dispersed. As the decrees are written, I often took time to speak them out loud or "mentally.") and so now without those decrees because we have set the books down, we (either you or I or anyone, Joe Dohn, for example, wish to engage this higher kingdom.
So I can take it you are talking to 'them' in the same way that xians 'talk' to their god?
This really damages your credibility; you are asking us to assume that there is a 'them' that can be communicated with (again without any evidence).
This is why some posters here think you are off the wall.
You don't want to begin making use of the girasas kingdom in some way until you have informed enough others that this is what you are doing. For instance, the results that we achieve after contact can only be reported if we have laid the foundation where people can understand what it is we are discussing....."
And here is the crux of the matter: you will NEVER get these ideas off the ground because they have absolutly no evidence appart from you asserting that for you they seem to do the trick in a confusing world.
.....and describing as having occurred,
Again the problem is that you have no evidence that anything has occured.
So I first want to know if I can get time off from involvement with them to be a good mother.
Be a good mum. The rest can wait.
I guess I should get to know the exact girasas I am working with as opposed to the others who may have a variety of talents.
This (and the rest of you post) implies you are personifying the girasas. Does this mean you are have auditoru hallucinations?
Within the "I AM" Temple, there are a myriad of figures with names and positions, however I'm not sure if I should ask for one of those with whom I am familiar due to them having current positions within another structure. Is it still so fluid (5th race is not a "paired" "binding" relationship) that I can pick and choose for just one task and then turn to a new figure to accomplish the next step?
No idea what all this means.
You have to understand that I keep looking for miracles to happen, for light to burst through me somehow and cause an occurrence and then if it does, how can I document it and record it?
But it hasn't, has it? Ask you self why.
I remember my children's classes spending quite a bit of time on their adventures onto Mars - in space camp and in the classroom they would imagine themselves colonizing and setting up research stations on Mars. What's the difference?
They are kids imagining something plausable.
You are an adult with (frankly it's the only way I can describe it) delusions.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 201 of 264 (478739)
08-20-2008 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Larni
08-10-2008 7:50 AM


it's no different from the FSM or xianity.
It's altogether different. My concern is not personal philosophy, but psychological health.
Here are the red flags again:
1. being bestowed with a special message of cosmic importance that you have difficulty explaining logically;
2. feeling that multiple personalities within you are battling for control;
3. grandiose ambitions (you say you are a 'housewife' and mention no political experience, but you have decided to run for President of the United States);
4. belief that you are surrounded by hostile others determined to persecute or kill you;
5. fear for your mental health;
6. perception of kinship with self-destructive delusional groups like Heaven's Gate;
7. fear that your thoughts may lead you to be self-destructive.
Where did I mention theosophy? The list is philosophy-neutral. You can find atheists who show these symptoms and theosophists who don't. Illnesses don't care what books you read.
The issue is health. These are red flags: symptoms of recognized, serious disorders.
Effective treatments exist. But you have to go get them. You can't 'think' your way out of psychological disorders which often have physical causes and aspects.
If you a theosophist or an atheist or a Christian, available treatments don't make you something other than a theosophist or an atheist or a Christian--no more than a measles shot would. But effective treatments can help one become a less paranoid, less suicidal, more coherent, and better functioning person, whatever your belief system. They can help you function better in life and keep you from hurting yourself or someone else.
It was good advice, Brenda. Have you contacted a professional?
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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
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Message 202 of 264 (478748)
08-20-2008 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Archer Opteryx
08-20-2008 7:19 AM


Hey Archer: are you replying to me?

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brendatucker
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Message 203 of 264 (478751)
08-20-2008 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Larni
08-20-2008 6:24 AM


Beyond debate maybe
Religion involves petitioning God or Jesus Christ to accomplish what we cannot accomplish alone.
There is little difference between what I do and what is done in religion except that I am asking scientists for help in "thinking" through the situation whereas religion does not ask science for help - unless they are bent on joining.
If a girasas kingdom is making contact with a group of humans, we could identify the group. And IF THEY ARE MAKING CONTACT BY WRITING BOOKS FOR US TO READ, we could identify the books. But keep in mind, that the process began with one man: Jesus Christ and it will not make a presentation en masse until the time is right. If we have had a few people performing at superior levels, i.e., saints, then we can see that the process is more of a series of isolated events which can be difficult to identify, but taking the words of those who experience something is a start.
I am sorry that the "evidence" does not present itself across the board. I apologize that what happens to a few people is not largely occurring, but if you can reason with yourself why it is occurring this way, perhaps you can lift your strict definition of evidence in order to benefit from the few people who do experience something unique.
There are still people channeling masters. I want to, but I also want there to be a committee or large mass of scientists who can acclimate the events. Lets say one person is showing some remarkable abilities, then the others who do not have the abilities study, record, and otherwise investigate the occurrences to the best of their ability. It is a team effort. Astronauts, for example, are a rare and limited group of individuals. Those who have gone into space on rockets and are still alive are a finite number, considerably smaller than the number of humans alive today. When we study a girasas kingdom and its descent we are approaching a similar prospect to the study of the astronaut.
The evidence is in the work that this person has done and what they claim is happening to them. So let's say that my role is more of that of an "awakener" to the prospect of future adventure and study. Rather than scientists debating religious, we could have scientists inducing conditions in religious for study and these scientists could be asking big questions for the purpose of producing a more even and tempered descent rather than allowing it to occur haphazard, scattered, and under duress.
By the scientist being by the side of the religious person, we are offering them a safe protection, a guiding hand, and a voice of reason. The two could make a great investigative team.
Edited by brendatucker, : No reason given.

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brendatucker
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Message 204 of 264 (478753)
08-20-2008 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Archer Opteryx
08-20-2008 7:19 AM


Girasas come
The danger that lies in meeting a foreign, advanced life form from "outer space" never deterred our scientists from stepping out there.
There is danger, but let's think a minute of what happens to the standards of our society.
We have a strong intellectual standard which gives high esteem, pay, and many forms of support to someone performing with inventions or data analysis in ways that help the rest of us. We love our technology and I doubt if that will change, but we could add an additional standard alongside of the intellectual one.
I am offering the standard of purity which may appeal to this higher kingdom and allow them greater maneuverability within one person when met. By providing a girasas with purity, we allow the heart, mind, and body of the girasas to go deeper into matter. The intellectual task becomes one of deciphering and communicating rather than the manipulation of matter that occurs with current intellectual standards. And the heart of the person becomes of major importance because that heart is being asked to shower forth considerable energy into our economy and culture with communications that make a difference to us all rather than for just the individual.
The person becomes a lightning rod for girasas energy to be released among us. Right now we use the sacrament of the Last Supper in order to encourage further and fuller participating with Christ. Christ asked us to invite the kingdom into us and this is what we can do, but without the information I am providing with this work, who knows what it is we are asking? "Thy kingdom come" means what to the person repeating the words? Let's ask for the kingdom of God to grow. We know it is within us because we were told by Jesus Christ it is. Let's conceive of the girasas and with the girasas. Men become pregnant. Women nurture that spark within you. The love, joy, and peace that we can "know" is many times what a human being is capable of.
Edited by brendatucker, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 205 of 264 (478758)
08-20-2008 2:34 PM


Hi Brenda,
So I found a bunch of sites where you've posted a lot of your stuff, I even found a picture of you. Also, I read a bit of your website. I'm familiar with you theory and some of the others its based on.
How can I know that it isn't all made up?
I'm not convinced by any of it. Do you have anything that suggests that it is not all fiction?
On another page you asked:
Let me ask you seriously though and with emphasis, “Why does the media refuse to permit research such as my own involving a girasas kingdom of nature and a plan of evolution that was published long ago and virtually sits on a shelf collecting dust from being openly expounded?”
Its because there is notreason to believe any of the stuff you say other than your say-so. Its not convincing at all.
It seems to be a great work of fiction.

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Larni
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Message 206 of 264 (478762)
08-20-2008 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by brendatucker
08-20-2008 1:25 PM


Re: Beyond debate maybe
If a girasas kingdom is making contact with a group of humans, we could identify the group. And IF THEY ARE MAKING CONTACT BY WRITING BOOKS FOR US TO READ, we could identify the books.
But you have no reason to beleive this is true other than it 'feels' right to you. As far as I'm concerned what you think is not real.
But keep in mind, that the process began with one man: Jesus Christ and it will not make a presentation en masse until the time is right.
Well, you will get no where with scientists if you start bringing Jesus as divine the equation. You are shooting yourself in the foot, here.
...but if you can reason with yourself why it is occurring this way, perhaps you can lift your strict definition of evidence in order to benefit from the few people who do experience something unique.
I can do that.
YOU
BELIEVE
WITHOUT
EVIDENCE
This is a delusion.
There are still people channeling masters.
Where?
Lets say one person is showing some remarkable abilities, then the others who do not have the abilities study, record, and otherwise investigate the occurrences to the best of their ability.
If you make that person James Randi you could make $1,000,000!! Go for it!
Astronauts, for example, are a rare and limited group of individuals. Those who have gone into space on rockets and are still alive are a finite number, considerably smaller than the number of humans alive today. When we study a girasas kingdom and its descent we are approaching a similar prospect to the study of the astronaut.
Bzzt...hmmmmm...cacha...zrrt...does not compute.
The evidence is in the work that this person has done and what they claim is happening to them.
Identify this person and his/her claims, please.
Rather than scientists debating religious,...
Scientists don't debate religious.
we could have scientists inducing conditions in religious for study and these scientists could be asking big questions for the purpose of producing a more even and tempered descent rather than allowing it to occur haphazard, scattered, and under duress.
Yes; it would be great if scientist where overseeing the metamorphosis of humanity wouldn't it?
By the scientist being by the side of the religious person, we are offering them a safe protection, a guiding hand, and a voice of reason. The two could make a great investigative team.
Well I like to kid myself that I'm a scientist (since I'm enagaged in active research) and I often work with patients who have beliefs that bring harm to them.
What I always say to people who will not alter their religious beliefs is "go talk to a vicar".

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brendatucker
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Message 207 of 264 (478777)
08-20-2008 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by New Cat's Eye
08-20-2008 2:34 PM


Education is fun and helpful later in life
Hi.
Would you agree that many people go to a great deal of trouble to involve themselves in this debate at a variety of levels? Would you agree that there are still lawsuits resulting from the pressure that people feel from resistance to admit their "sufferings" from discussion at an educational level?
People suffer when you ridicule their thinking about religion as true.
If we could present books that are told to us to be channeled into existence with strange ideas in them, we could discover a part of ourselves that we didn't know existed. We didn't know we could act as a host to a higher kingdom and that they would (possibly) invade our bodies and occupy themselves with changing us or "evolving" us.
This would be a great educational event to share. Due to the fact that many people go on to explore religion after school years are over, isn't it possible that an open discussion of the "possible" side effects from religious endeavor could benefit people and keep them from making mistakes.
If I hear the idea that there is a higher being at work in me, I don't just go on as usual. I (and maybe there are other people like me) tend to want to communicate and discuss what "we" are going to do, how I can benefit in enlisting the aid of this higher being and how the two of us can make better use of what we are for mutual goals as well as distinct goals.
Be alert to all possibilities. Isn't that a good motto for education?

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brendatucker
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Message 208 of 264 (478786)
08-20-2008 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Larni
08-20-2008 4:11 PM


Re: Beyond debate maybe
I expect that you do not have much fun engaging in this debate because you have very little regard for the truth that people claim to exist in religious books and lifestyles.
Take for instance, Adam as the first man.
Do you see how this new theory of evolution which I call THE SEVEN RACE THEORY can justify that Adam could be the first man "in the fifth root race" which covers the entire earth today and hence is likely what we mean when we use the term human being?
Now I still do not have a concensus on what we can consider to be human. Some groups say that the 4th race was not human. Some groups say that the 4th race is an extinct human, but what do we really mean when we use the word human?
Most scientists see the outer form of the animal and do not consider whether or not there is a gestational human "within that animal" growing and "invading" the animal form in a way that will one day cause a split to occur - not unlike birth only rather than through a cavity, through another process of which we know little. If we suggest that humans were within dinosaurs and that prior to the dinosaurs going extinct, forerunners of the mammals on earth today were "thrown off" by the activity within the dual animal-human. As the human beared down on the forms in which it existed in the 2nd race, a series of metamorphoses occurred of which we know very little. How would a middle stage between dinosaur and human such as a mouse or a hippo not only be an attempt at a body for this dual entity, but also become ejected from the body after it were built, so to speak?
There are still many puzzles for serious students to work at discovery, however the idea of Adam as the first man when presented in THE SECRET DOCTRINE, describes seven Adams in this evolutionary cycle and we are forced to re-evaluate the word human because we have not discussed and decided whether all races can be called human technically to a scientist. In order for the form to be human, to me only the 4th race might qualify as this type of being with the 1st - 3rd and 5th - 6th needing new terminology to describe the relationship between human and "other kingdom."
We can't really debate how Adam (as found in the Bible) is essentially true unless we agree how to refer to the other 6 races (other than 5th) and that hasn't even been attempted yet.
However, if we introduce this written material (in the right way) we will demonstrate how the Bible and the ancients who participated in writing the Bible knew about life and creation considerably better than we had heretofore anticipated.
Adam is described as being from "the dust of the earth" and "breathed into." I can describe a shista buried after the 3rd round (one for each race) and withdrawn from its burial place at the proper time for a reinvigoration and reenlivening of the form. What would have to change is the adaptation that the form had in the prior round was for watery existence (life in water not on dry land) and during this round a water-form would be processed into a land-form.
It is very sketchy - ancient history - but there can be a rational explanation for events so that no one has to be told or be led to believe that the Bible is false and misleading. The Bible can be presented as true, though sketchy, and a key to help with mysteries for ages to come. We may never need to outgrow this sacred work.

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Larni
Member (Idle past 164 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 209 of 264 (478831)
08-21-2008 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by brendatucker
08-20-2008 6:24 PM


Re: Beyond debate maybe
I expect that you do not have much fun engaging in this debate because you have very little regard for the truth that people claim to exist in religious books and lifestyles.
Au contrare. If I had no fun on this site I would not be at this site talking to you, would I?
Now, before we go on I would like to point out that you have addressed none of my points; specifically that you have NO EVIDENCE that the 'Seven Race Theory' has any basis in reality.
I also want to draw your attention to the following phrases that you used in the last post to me:
Now I still do not have a concensus on what we can consider to be human.
If we suggest that humans were within dinosaurs...
...a series of metamorphoses occurred of which we know very little...
These all indicate that your 'theory' is woefully underdeveloped. I would put your 'theory' as an unfalsifiable hypothesis.
I'm going to make a very important point here: if you honestly want to promogulate this to the world at large you must understand this point; I can't stress how important this will be for you.
Your 'Seven Race Theory' needs to be falsifiable before any scientist will even touch it with somebody elses barge pole.
The rest of your posting on this site will be essentially pointless untill you can at least show how your theory can be falsified.
Come up with a falsification method and I'm very happy to continue this discussion.
If you refuse, then no scientist on earth will react to the 'Seven Race Theory' differently to me and your mission is doomed.
Think of this as an opportunity to show everyone reading this thread (there may be as many as 8) that you can work with science!
Otherwise you will be chasing rainbows untill you go bonkers.

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brendatucker
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Joined: 05-22-2008


Message 210 of 264 (478846)
08-21-2008 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Larni
08-21-2008 4:07 AM


Why me?
Why does it have to be me who does this?
Everyone is involved in reading literature and designing research (?) and planning for their futures.
Couldn't just anyone who wants to make a plan how to live do what you ask?
I just read and lived according to what was "suggested" and made a discovery that I think could help many people become more religion-friendly.
If there are demands on the scientific mind, couldn't they do their own thinking to satisfy those demands?

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