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coffee_addict
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Message 48 of 185 (101360)
04-20-2004 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by desdamona
04-20-2004 9:01 PM


Re: light from the past
desdamona writes:
If we can see the light from the past,how did it get there?
How old is it?
Man has been around a very long time.
If all time can be seen in the sky,then the sky has remained the
same,right?
I'm a little... shocked. But here goes.
The stars in the sky are actually very far apart. The nearest star to our sun is alpha centaur, which is 4 light years away. That means that it takes 4 years for light to travel from that star to our planet.
Our galaxy (please ask me to explain if you don't know what a galaxy is) is about 75 thousand light years in diameter. That means that it takes about 75 thousand years for light to travel from one end of the galaxy to the other. Considering that recorded history can only be traced back to 6 thousand years ago, this is a very short time compared to how long it took for light to get to here from where they were.
Now, when we talk about other galaxies beside our own, we are talking distances in the hundreds of millions to billions of light years. Another strong evidence against young earth, young universe claim.

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coffee_addict
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Message 53 of 185 (101371)
04-20-2004 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by desdamona
04-20-2004 9:47 PM


Re: light from the past
Because I have taken astro-physics in the past and I have participated in a research. Would you like me to start putting equations in here??? Have you taken trigonometry? Have you taken calculus? Have you taken differential equation? If not, I doubt that you can understand most of these.

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coffee_addict
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Message 56 of 185 (101386)
04-20-2004 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by desdamona
04-20-2004 10:37 PM


Re: light from the past
desdamona writes:
No,I have not taken these classes. If I had an interest in them I
might,but I really don't.
It's good for you though,right?
At least you can feel smart about some things.
So,because you took these classes,does that mean the teachings are,
facts and/or infalible?
Do creationists have classes that they teach their ideas to?
Just curious because I might want to attend their classes.
First of all, I'm not saying that I'm smarter than you. Since I do not know you in real life, I can't make that kind of judgement. What I am saying is that I know what I am talking about, and you don't.
You started implying that the big bang didn't happen because the bible didn't say so. For one thing, science doesn't give a rat's ass what the bible says. We perform experiments and collect data first, then we come up with theories to try to explain these data.
Are you seriously doubting math now? This is the part of your message that really ticked me off:
quote:
So,because you took these classes,does that mean the teachings are,
facts and/or infalible?
From your previous posts, it became very clear that you didn't even know light had a finite speed. It also became very clear that you had absolutely no idea there was a universe out there besides your back yard. From the looks of it, I'm willing to bet that you don't know the first thing about our solar system. I'm even beginning to think that you don't know there are currently 9 known planets in our solar system.
Yet, you made that statement there, doubting what I have learned and am learning in my school are all bogus. See anything wrong with this picture? You don't know the first thing about math or science, and you've already made claims that they're all bogus.
I am beginning to get a glimpse at the true nature behind creationism. I had no idea it was so... ignorant prone.

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coffee_addict
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Message 58 of 185 (101395)
04-20-2004 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by desdamona
04-20-2004 11:24 PM


Re: light from the past
For the record, if you think high school education is all there is, you ain't seen not'n yet.
Just make sure you never accidently wander into one of the philosophy debates where I'm the referee.

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coffee_addict
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Message 71 of 185 (101442)
04-21-2004 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by crashfrog
04-21-2004 2:50 AM


Crashfrog, now you see what I had to face? First, she claimed that math is false. She then went on to admit that she'd never taken any class or read any book about these things, but she knew that they were make-belief. Now, she is saying that science is a religion.
I never thought such a personality could exist. I guess I'm still too young.

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Message 118 of 185 (101571)
04-21-2004 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by mike the wiz
04-21-2004 1:23 PM


Re: Let us ask but not conclude
Thank you, Mike!
What I've been trying to tell her is that there has been no creationist at all that rallied to her defense. That should tell her something about her thought process. It's good to finally have a believer telling her that there is something seriously wrong with her mental perception of math and science.
I've been adviced by a friend on another forum to stop wasting my effort on desdamona. She can believe what she wants to believe. I will no longer answer her posts unless either she stops saying "la la la I can't hear you" or she posts something that have more than a conclusion with no premise.
Peace.

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Message 132 of 185 (101939)
04-22-2004 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by desdamona
04-21-2004 5:21 AM


Re: Falling stars
desdamona writes:
I believe that with all the DNA sharing that goes on in the world,it's nothing short of a miracle that DNA is still in good shape compared to what one might expect it to be in.
Sharing DNA over and over again breaks down the immune system so that the body becomes sick alot easier.
DNA is very precious and it's very much a miracle that it's not in
worse shape than it is.
Explain to me what the hell you mean by "sharing DNA?" And don't try to get off the subject. Tell me the technicality of this "sharing DNA."
Also, a long time ago I asked you to name the 4 nucleotides of DNA and the 4 nucleotides of RNA. I'm still waiting for the answer.
Edited:
And since you are such an expert in DNA, could you tell the rest of us the shape of a DNA strand and what bases pair with what bases?
[This message has been edited by Lam, 04-22-2004]

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coffee_addict
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Message 144 of 185 (101993)
04-22-2004 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by desdamona
04-22-2004 7:32 PM


Re: Falling stars
Incredibly, you just demonstrated to us all that you have absolutely no idea what causes STD's and such. Refer to Sylas' posts for proper explanation.

The Laminator

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coffee_addict
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Message 152 of 185 (102033)
04-22-2004 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by desdamona
04-22-2004 10:08 PM


Re: Falling stars
First of all, it is not my opinion that you know nothing about DNA and diseases. It is a fact.
desdamona writes:
Why do we have falling stars?
Those are not stars falling. Everytime you see a falling star, it is actually a rock in space that has been caught by the Earth's gravitational pull and falls down to Earth from space. Once it enters our atmosphere, friction against the air molecules of our atmosphere causes it to heat up, which radiates in a form of light that you can see. In other words, it's a ball of fire by the time it reaches the lower trosposphere (the lower most atmospheric layer).
Just one thing, how the heck did we change the topic from DNA to falling stars?

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