Free will, perfection and limits on god

You write: "God did create that being. The being has not arrived at perfection yet, however. The being is still evolving to that conclusion. HINT: This being loves his kids."
--------------------------------You say that God created a being (humans, I assume) that is in the process of ariving at perfection. This seems to imply that evolution has a goal. Why do you think this is?

I have a comment! So free will is a separate driving force for evolution than is natural selection?

My spin on this:
I think that perfection is relative, which you both seem to agree on. However, if God created everything according to God's will, then everything is perfect. Whether God is perfect is tricky, as you have said. Does it matter either way? Things are still the way they are regardless.
If God can make mistakes, but also created exactly according to God's will, then whatever came of that creation is what God wanted, and is not flawed in any way, even though God can make mistakes. So, I guess the question may be, did God create exactly according to God's will?
Our view of perfection and mistakes may be different than God's view of perfection and mistakes. Also, definitions by nature get us nowhere because every word is defined in terms of other words.
What do you think?

So then to what process were you referring when you said "...still evolving to that conclusion," if you don't mind me asking?

Relative to either God or man. I don't understand what you are getting at. If God wants us to be perfect, and created us according to this will, then we will be perfect. Perhaps this discussion is better in a free will thread? That is something that I am interested in. We could continue here, though, if you would like Right.

No, that's my fault! I got you confused with Phatboy. Sorry!

If we assume God created exactly according to God's will, isn't that near-perfect system still perfect? Or are you not assuming that?

Who is doing the post-death hurting? What is sin in your view? Are you talking here about those who don't sin, but still do not love God? Perhaps you should read the Old Testament. It is the basis for the NT, and God does some serious laying down of the law in it.

I agree with your post, and you probably know all of this, but I'm taking an evolution class and I thought I'd try to apply my learning. What you say seems to imply a right and wrong or good and bad to evolution. Natural selection cannot look to the future, and reacts to what is presently happening (whenever the present is). The problems and advantages are not really, they are just forms that didn't work well enough at the time. Sometimes the "problems" are not weeded out, but kept around by certain other forces, such as frequency-dependent evolution. And "well enough" is all that is needed for a species to survive.

There is a difference between God fooling us and us reaching our limits. If you say that we should have no limits to our abilities otherwise God is fooling us, then you are fooling yourself Show me right now that you can make everyone happy all at the same time due to you

Don't give science and logic too much credit, Sidelined.

What is your post in response to?Also, omnipotence does not rule out free will, but omniscience does (logically).

Or because omnipotence is an illogical state (logically), and that is why it cannot be tested. Also, a creator could also be just powerful enough to create the universe, but still not be all-powerful, thus conceivably still remaining "logical."

That doesn't quite follow. If humankind was a goal of creation (meaning there were other goals), why do you seem to think that humans must be the first goal? Perhaps God wanted us to have a large fossil record and other things that took tons of time to produce to observe and think about. I think God is still logical in this light. Do you agree?

You seem to be implying that God had specific goals for the evolutionary system God created. If this is so, then shouldn't you state whether God is creating exactly according to God's will?