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PurpleYouko
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Message 122 of 248 (200708)
04-20-2005 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by QBert14000
04-20-2005 1:04 AM


Re: Still struggling
QBert writes:
Hehe, def. am! But seriously, if I am not a lie if I look older than I am, how is the earth, then, a lie if it looks older than it is? Is it because it is not following man-made principles based on observation (like uniformitarianism)?
Sorry to but in here but I don't think your analogy to your apparent age is quite complete, at least not in the sense that I read in Jar's comments.
The way I see it, simply looking 60 when you are in fact 40 is no problem. It is not a lie but just a difference in appearence.
If, however, I was to check the electoral register and find it on record that you are in fact 60 along with childhood photagraphs in newspapers from 55 years ago that show you as a 5 year old then I would be forgiven for thinking that you are in fact lying by saying that you are 40. I could then go on to find an almost unbroken record of your entire life complete with date stamps that correlate with other known historical events. Every peice of evidence puts your age at 60 yet you still insist that you are 40.
There are only 2 possible conclusions.
1) you are lying and you really are 60.
2) The evidence that points to your greater age has been painstakingly falsified and it is lying.
Does that agree with your point Jar?

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PurpleYouko
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From: Columbia Missouri
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Message 124 of 248 (200725)
04-20-2005 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by jar
04-20-2005 4:23 PM


Re: Still struggling
you happen to be a member of the same health club as Dick Clark, then appearances are explained, they are reasonable and natural.
Personally I would take Heather Locklear's health club. She looks pretty darn good for 44.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 136 of 248 (200912)
04-21-2005 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by QBert14000
04-20-2005 5:23 PM


Re: Still struggling
So why can it not just be a difference in appearance with the earth?
One way that it could be a lie is if our interpretations of evidence are always right (what we sense is actually there). Is this what you feel is true? Are our interpretations always right?
All we have is the evidence.
Our interpretations may not always be 100% correct, at least not the first time we look at something. That is why independent and often blind studies are done on the evidence. If a whole bunch of people reach the same conclusions about the same evidence (without prior knowledge of any other findings) even when they use a variety of methods, then the chances are very strong that they have reached the correct conclusion.
As jar says, as far as we can tell, the universe appears to be governed by a set of imutable rules. Time after time, experiments in every field of science have confirmed this.
These rules are then applied to the interpretation of observations. There is no other way we can do it.
If your premise is that these rules may not be correct or that they might change then we might as well give up and move back to the caves. However the fact that modern technology works pretty much proves that we are interpretting these rules correctly.
For example, time is measured to an incredible degree of accuracy on an atomic clock which uses exactly the same physical laws as radiological aging, yet nobody ever questions time.

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