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Message 786 of 1197 (906918)
02-16-2023 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 779 by Dredge
02-16-2023 8:50 PM


Re: Typical?
Instead of one tree, the fossil record reveals many separates trees, which represent the many phyla that appeared during the Cambrian.
That is false. Wishful thinking on your part. Those lineages started in the ediacaran. You cannot show they are unrelated to phyla in pre-cambrian and cambrian radiations.

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Message 790 of 1197 (906925)
02-16-2023 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 787 by sensei
02-16-2023 9:05 PM


Re: Typical?
You rather give magical powers to natural selection, believing it can supernaturally form intelligent life through random steps.
There. Fixed it for you. Indeed evolution has that magical power. It's done that a few times now.

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Message 796 of 1197 (906935)
02-16-2023 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 791 by sensei
02-16-2023 9:24 PM


Re: Typical?
Nothing is fixed.
Yeah it is.
Your errant statement is fixed. It was terribly hampered by the stupidity of religious thought.
Evolution of all life to such a complexity, requires more magic and supernatural defyance of probability.
No, evolution just seems like magic to logically deficient religious people. Any sufficiently advanced mental process will look like magic to you. And I doubt you understand probability theory any more than you do evolution.

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Message 801 of 1197 (906942)
02-16-2023 9:43 PM
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02-16-2023 9:34 PM


Re: Typical?
How do some cells magically start thinking of producing a different type of cells with each only half of the genetic materials?
That's what messenger proteins do. They cascade through the body flipping genetic switches on and off depending on the presence or absence of other proteins. All very complex. All very magical. All very natural.

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Message 802 of 1197 (906944)
02-16-2023 9:46 PM
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02-16-2023 9:41 PM


Re: Typical?
What in the world are you talking about?
Confusion with meiosis?

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Message 806 of 1197 (906962)
02-16-2023 10:14 PM
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02-16-2023 10:09 PM


Re: Typical?
What is natural about splitting into half cells, that can't duplicate and are lost. Waiting until one day, a mechanism emerged by trial and error evolution, for another type of half cells to come by and dump their genetic content to help out.
You're having a nightmare of epic proportions. Go get help before you believe any of that actually happened.

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Message 810 of 1197 (906970)
02-16-2023 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 808 by sensei
02-16-2023 10:26 PM


Re: Typical?
How did ...
I don't think you are going to find satisfactory answers because I don't think we have all the information. We don't know how all that came about. So, in our ignorance you can foist your biggest canard and put your intelligent designer in that hole as a placeholder until more information becomes available.

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Message 812 of 1197 (907000)
02-17-2023 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 811 by Tanypteryx
02-16-2023 11:10 PM


Re: Typical?
So they don't have any problems with gays, trans and the morass of politics that comes with it. Smart bugs.
Tucker would label them dangerous lefty libs.

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Message 814 of 1197 (907003)
02-17-2023 5:19 PM
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02-17-2023 4:54 PM


Re: Typical?
He spends his time worrying about the sexuality of M&Ms.
Bad jokes. Bad bad jokes. Funny as hell but not safe for EvC.
What the hell.
These things are important, Tany. If I'm going to eat these ...
I'll let everyone go from there.

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Message 818 of 1197 (907022)
02-18-2023 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 817 by sensei
02-18-2023 11:37 AM


Re: Typical?
It's common today that normal cells produce eggs or sperm that have half of genetics in each cell.
"common", "normal cells", ... No.
Only a few thousand specially developed germline cells in your gonads do that. That is meiosis. The rest of the billions of common normal cells that are you are somatic cells and reproduce only by mitosis. Mitosis is when the cell duplicates its genetic material and separates into two daughter cells of equal genetic makeup.
Do you believe ...
The evolution of sex is what you are asking about. I don't have exact details at my finger-tips and would have to do some searching the net to find appropriate sources.
Or,
You could do your own research. Try "evolution of sex" on google scholar.

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Message 822 of 1197 (907061)
02-18-2023 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 819 by sensei
02-18-2023 3:08 PM


Re: Typical?
Normal is referring to them being diploid, having full DNA.
Then you are wrong.
quote:
It's common today that normal cells produce eggs or sperm that have half of genetics in each cell.
Normal cells (meaning the vast majority of the cells in your body) don't do that. Only very special cells do that.
Regardless of your semanics, there is a major difference between somatic and germline cells. Do you acknowledge that?

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Message 823 of 1197 (907062)
02-18-2023 4:02 PM
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02-18-2023 3:08 PM


Re: Typical?
If you think germ cells are not normal, then that is your problem.
They are not anywhere close to normal. They are exceptionally special types of cells.

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Message 825 of 1197 (907077)
02-18-2023 5:35 PM
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02-18-2023 5:03 PM


Re: Typical?
Fine.
You are questioning why meiosis happens? How it evolved?
But you don't believe in chemistry happening due to physically natural causes. You want to introduce magic, yes?
---add
Btw, in meiosis the gemline cell ends up not in two but in 4 gametes. Just fyi.

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Message 831 of 1197 (907103)
02-18-2023 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 828 by Dredge
02-18-2023 7:57 PM


Re: Typical?
quote:
The Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years [evolutionists are now dating the beginning of the Cambrian at about 530 million years], are the oldest in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history
Yes. They look just planted without evolutionary history. But looks are deceiving as is your taking the quote out of context. That's the way things looked but that is not the way it was if you had bothered to quote further.
Lying for crackers, again, Dredge. Bad Altar Boy.

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Message 840 of 1197 (907171)
02-19-2023 1:42 PM


Are the two of you really saying that because we don’t know everything down in intricate detail that, then, we know nothing? And if we can’t show you specifically what proteins did exactly what in some ultra specific case then the reality of the event didn’t happen?
Are you two that intellectually dishonest? Is this another “lies for jesus” stance that makes creationists look so bad?

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