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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Nothing is fixed. Yeah it is. Your errant statement is fixed. It was terribly hampered by the stupidity of religious thought.
Evolution of all life to such a complexity, requires more magic and supernatural defyance of probability. No, evolution just seems like magic to logically deficient religious people. Any sufficiently advanced mental process will look like magic to you. And I doubt you understand probability theory any more than you do evolution.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
Do you know what a peanut is?
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
Says the troll
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
sensei writes: How about single cell starts multiplying and form a bunch of cell, into larger living being, replicating genetic material with each cell division. How do some cells magically start thinking of producing a different type of cells with each only half of the genetic materials? First, show that a cell thinks, and that this conscious process is what results in differentiation into different cell types. And what in the world do you mean by "only half of the genetic materials"? You do realize that the whole genome is duplicated for each cell division, right? All cells have the same amount of DNA.
And even if evolution managed such, the one of the new type cells also need to have a system of disposing the genetic content inside the other new type of cells. What in the world are you talking about? Did you know that all of the somatic cells in your body, from immune cells to muscle cells to intestinal cells, all have the same genome? The same amount of DNA? The only exceptions are strange cells like human red blood cells that lose their entire genome, or germ cells that have have half of the genome which is needed for sexual reproduction (do you know what diploid and haploid are?). Otherwise, I have no idea what you are trying to describe here.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
So you are incapable of explaining the probability problems you claim. So that was just bullshit?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
How do some cells magically start thinking of producing a different type of cells with each only half of the genetic materials? That's what messenger proteins do. They cascade through the body flipping genetic switches on and off depending on the presence or absence of other proteins. All very complex. All very magical. All very natural.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
What in the world are you talking about? Confusion with meiosis?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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AZPaul3 writes: Confusion with meiosis? I think it is much deeper than that. I highly doubt sensei knows what meiosis is, or what diploid and haploid are. It looks like he thinks that after 3 cell divisions from a single cell that the resulting 8 cells will each have 1/8th of the original genome. If he doesn't understand mitosis, I doubt he understands meiosis. I also suspect that he thinks there are a set of . . . say, kidney cell genes. It reads like sensei thinks the kidney cell throws out everything that isn't a kidney cell gene and then makes a kidney cell.
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
You misunderstood.
How did it happen the very first time? Before, every cell only know how to duplicate and form together multicellular life. What is natural about splitting into half cells, that can't duplicate and are lost. Waiting until one day, a mechanism emerged by trial and error evolution, for another type of half cells to come by and dump their genetic content to help out.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Yup clueless.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
What is natural about splitting into half cells, that can't duplicate and are lost. Waiting until one day, a mechanism emerged by trial and error evolution, for another type of half cells to come by and dump their genetic content to help out. You're having a nightmare of epic proportions. Go get help before you believe any of that actually happened.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
sensei writes: How did it happen the very first time? Before, every cell only know how to duplicate and form together multicellular life. That would require us to have live cells from billions of years ago which we don't have. How multicellularity first evolved will always be a mystery because we simply don't have the DNA needed. However, we do have examples of very simple multicellular organisms now, as well as organisms that are intermediate. All of the intermediate stages can be found in extant life. For example, the volvox which has just 2 or 3 cell types and is very simple:
What is natural about splitting into half cells, that can't duplicate and are lost. I have no idea what you are talking about. What are these half cells you are talking about?
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
I'm talking about evolution. Not about reproduction in todays species, where the reproduction system already supposedly evolved.
How did a single cell species (reproducing by cell duplication) go to multicellular (growing and reproducing by cell duplication), to then reproduce using meiosis (or some predecessor system). Were a group of cells in the multicellular being accidentically triggered to produce cells with only half of genetic material? How did a species go from reproduction by cell division only, one day, and then later on another day through (self or sexual) fertilization of eggs and sperm. Did the species first evolve the capability to produce the unfertilized eggs and only later the sperm. Or did they just happen to evolve both at the same time, as one is pretty useless without the other?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
sensei writes: Were a group of cells in the multicellular being accidentically triggered to produce cells with only half of genetic material? No, why would they???? You are made up of trillions of cells, and you started out as one cell. Do you think each of your cells today has one trillionth of the DNA that the first cell had? They would have all had the same amount of DNA. What they would do is turn on and turn off different genes in that genome which would allow each cell to do a different job, just like your cells in your body.
How did a species go from reproduction by cell division only, one day, and then later on another day through (self or sexual) fertilization of eggs and sperm. Probably the same way it works now. There are single cell yeast species that reproduce both asexually (i.e. cell division) and sexually. If single cell species can do it, it can't be that hard for multicellular species to do it.
Did the species first evolve the capability to produce the unfertilized eggs and only later the sperm. The single celled yeast species that sexually reproduce don't have sperm or eggs. They just have single cells that are the same size with the same motility. They merge and form a diploid genome just like sperm and egg. Edited by Taq, .
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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How did ... I don't think you are going to find satisfactory answers because I don't think we have all the information. We don't know how all that came about. So, in our ignorance you can foist your biggest canard and put your intelligent designer in that hole as a placeholder until more information becomes available.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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