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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
How do you know you don't have that backwards? CNN doesn't really count, nor does the mainstream media. They tell us what we want to hear and shelter us from what is really going on."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The first bit is sarcastic and the rest trails off into incoherence. It will be nice when sentences are invented. quote:The arguments seem sound. "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I've told you flat-out that I couldn't care less about the US middle class. If you read my posts it wouldn't just be a vague suspicion. Sometimes I think that you liberals could care less about the US Middle Class when you can help the world. Our beloved Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, is constantly telling us that he's "working very hard" to buck up the middle class "and those struggling to join it". I, for one, am not struggling to join the middle class.
Phat writes:
That's just a historical artefact. It used to be the pound. The thing is, the world is connected to the dollar... Edited by ringo, : fixed quote"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You have that backwards. Critical thinkers are the ones who dare - to defy their intuition.
I learn slowly through trial and error but I also am intuitive beyond what most critical thinkers dare not do. Phat writes:
Will you ever learn to read? It's JESUS who wants you to do that. Jesus H. Tap-dancing Christ, the guy you claim to believe in.
And yet you would love for all of the Christian Middle class to give all that they have... Phat writes:
That's a vile thing to say. I worked fairly hard all my life for relatively little money and you have the gall to scoff at me giving a few dollars away. I don't expect to gain ANYTHING from you doing what your "leader" wants you to do.
...(and join your ranks in so doing) simply so you dont have to work so hard struggling to pay bills and eat! Phat writes:
How is that a bad thing? You want to sit around at the park with the other homeless people and enjoy life."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
For one thing, it's on a white board. Sometimes a thousand words is worth more than a picture.
I have been accused of accepting conman arguments, but see nothing wrong with Gammons whiteboard argument. Phat writes:
Strike two. Easy-to-listen-to does not equate to knows-what-he's-talking-about.
Greg Mannarino also explains the whole scenario. He is actually quite easy to listen to. Phat writes:
Why not? Sensational titles are for the National Enquirer. (What's the Bat Baby up to lately?) Don't let sensationalist titles prevent you from listening."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Conspiracy theory.
I DO think that they are very aware that what they say publically itself could spook the markets and not be encouraging to investors. Phat writes:
Yes, many of us are ignorant of the "alternative facts." Thus, I think that the public hears very little of what is actually happening."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Because that tax money could be used to raise up the ones who are lower on the scale than you - i.e. to create more taxpayers. In the long term, it would lower the burden on you. Why on earth would I want higher taxes for the middle class...? But as long as you fall for the right-wing promises of "tax cuts", you're just helping the rich to keep you down."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It's too bad you didn't have your enormous fund of economic wisdom back then. If you had bought gold in 1970, how rich would you be now? I think it all started when Nixon decoupled the dollar from gold in 1971."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Money has been "digital" - i.e. a number in a ledger in a bank - for centuries.
This whole idea of digital money (an upcoming reality)... Phat writes:
Remember the good old days when the banks printed their own currency? How did that work out?
And I don't trust governments nor do I feel they should have that much authority over money. Phat writes:
We know you hate the public. We know you side with the private money of the rich rather than the public money of the poor. What we don't understand is why. My gripe has now been redefined as private money vs public money."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The government IS the public.
What I hate is overarching government control ... Phat writes:
Of course it should. Society means putting your own selfish desires in second place, behind the greater good.
My government should not have the right to decide what's best for me while controlling my future. Phat writes:
You can keep that apocalyptic nonsense to yourself.
Before you know it, we as a society will have blundered into a one-world government... Phat writes:
You have mandatory compliance now.
and mandatory compliance. Phat writes:
You're the one who is pushing the agenda of the rich. Get on the side of the public if you want me to have sympathy for your plight. While my country is getting older and grayer and needs social security, the rich are spending up all the surplus and pushing me...and the public...into a collective poor farm. How do you like them apples?"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The agenda of the rich is to get richer. Kindly enlighten me...briefly...on this Agenda Of The Rich and contrast it with The Agenda Of The Public. The agenda of the public is to make a better world for their children.
Phat writes:
I made a little over $12,000 Canadian last year. Should i shed tears for the ones who make $30,000? (The good news is that i spent less than I made last month.)
I already know that one of the agendas of *your* idea for the public is to sharply put the bill in the mailbox of everyone earning roughly $30,000.00 a year... Phat writes:
Why not?
And by the way, I reluctantly accept that idea though I don't want the government to turn the middle and lower classes into one giant class. Phat writes:
If you're "forced" to give up your car, it will be because of global warming. As I said earlier, I don't want to be forced to give up my car and take buses everywhere."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
And you're helping them do it.
These days, One could nearly say that the rich hijacked the dream my parents had. Phat writes:
How can you be comfortable with more than that when you know other people have less than that?
Perhaps your idea of an American/Canadian Dream is nothing more than (that)everyone has a roof over their head, enough food, and basic needs such as medical, dental, and clothing being affordable. Phat writes:
Will you ever listen? When you pull up the bottom, you pull up everybody.
By the time the public includes everyone in the world and guarantees no hunger or homelessness, we all will ave a very spartan living standard. Phat writes:
For you, a little empathy would definitely be progress.
To me that is not progress, but it is empathy, I suppose. Phat writes:
You mean the rich? Whom you support.
But then we still have the thieves. They will always take what they can get and wont care who they hurt or whose stuff it is. Phat writes:
Well, He would want you to visit them in prison. I suppose Jesus would not want us fighting them or locking them up. Comments? He would also want you to forgive them, not advocate having armed guards to shoot them."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You'd rather have them controlled by ultra-rich monsters like Trump? And he wasn't even very good at stealing from you. ... some things should be kept private and not part of a giant pool of money controlled by governments."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
"We" simply refers to those of us who are wrong about finance, O Great Guru. We are monolithic in being wrong.
(And I think it's odd that you mention "we" as if the EvC peanut gallery is the Supreme Court. I've noticed that a lot of you use the same terminology. You all are wrong about finance in general. Phat writes:
At the rate you're going, even if you were born yesterday you would not live long enough. It may take me a while to prove it, using my own words. But I will try."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Obviously false. Families are cooperative, not competitive. Parents don't typically take the food out of their children's mouths. The world as we know it is competitive before it is cooperative. That's human nature. (Funny how right-wing nuts claim to be "pro-family", yet they define "human nature" as decidedly anti-family.)
Phat writes:
What "it" is that? The conspiracy to make a "New World Order"? Who is doing the conspiring? And don't blame the Republicans when it happens. (By the way, the anti-Semitic conspiracy nuts that I mentioned a while ago, the ones who sounded exactly like you, they were sure that the "New World Order" would come about by the year 2000.)Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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