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ringo
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Message 2 of 582 (888760)
10-03-2021 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
10-03-2021 10:45 AM


Phat writes:
CNN doesn't really count, nor does the mainstream media. They tell us what we want to hear and shelter us from what is really going on.
How do you know you don't have that backwards?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 10 of 582 (888785)
10-05-2021 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
10-05-2021 11:59 AM


Re: Lyn Alden
Phat writes:
quote:
The United States military is doing a really good job of making sure that China is able to access all the oil they want and so basically it's one of those things where the cost has gone up and up and over time whereas the groups who are benefiting the most from the system has actually shifted away from the United States and so right now you know it's basically (that) we're paying for the system but it's not necessarily benefiting us in the same way that it did decades ago
The arguments seem sound.
The first bit is sarcastic and the rest trails off into incoherence. It will be nice when sentences are invented.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 19 of 582 (888797)
10-06-2021 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Phat
10-05-2021 2:46 PM


Re: Lyn Alden
Phat writes:
Sometimes I think that you liberals could care less about the US Middle Class when you can help the world.
I've told you flat-out that I couldn't care less about the US middle class. If you read my posts it wouldn't just be a vague suspicion.
Our beloved Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, is constantly telling us that he's "working very hard" to buck up the middle class "and those struggling to join it". I, for one, am not struggling to join the middle class.
Phat writes:
The thing is, the world is connected to the dollar...
That's just a historical artefact. It used to be the pound.
Edited by ringo, : fixed quote

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 36 of 582 (888844)
10-10-2021 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Phat
10-09-2021 3:22 PM


Re: Addressing Old Posts
Phat writes:
I learn slowly through trial and error but I also am intuitive beyond what most critical thinkers dare not do.
You have that backwards. Critical thinkers are the ones who dare - to defy their intuition.
Phat writes:
And yet you would love for all of the Christian Middle class to give all that they have...
Will you ever learn to read? It's JESUS who wants you to do that. Jesus H. Tap-dancing Christ, the guy you claim to believe in.
Phat writes:
...(and join your ranks in so doing) simply so you dont have to work so hard struggling to pay bills and eat!
That's a vile thing to say. I worked fairly hard all my life for relatively little money and you have the gall to scoff at me giving a few dollars away. I don't expect to gain ANYTHING from you doing what your "leader" wants you to do.
Phat writes:
You want to sit around at the park with the other homeless people and enjoy life.
How is that a bad thing?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 43 of 582 (895937)
07-26-2022 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Phat
07-25-2022 11:39 PM


Re: An Apologist Who Explains His Logic On A Whiteboard
Phat writes:
I have been accused of accepting conman arguments, but see nothing wrong with Gammons whiteboard argument.
For one thing, it's on a white board. Sometimes a thousand words is worth more than a picture.
Phat writes:
Greg Mannarino also explains the whole scenario. He is actually quite easy to listen to.
Strike two. Easy-to-listen-to does not equate to knows-what-he's-talking-about.
Phat writes:
Don't let sensationalist titles prevent you from listening.
Why not? Sensational titles are for the National Enquirer. (What's the Bat Baby up to lately?)

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 49 of 582 (896010)
07-28-2022 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
07-28-2022 11:11 AM


Re: An Apologist Who Explains His Logic On A Whiteboard
Phat writes:
I DO think that they are very aware that what they say publically itself could spook the markets and not be encouraging to investors.
Conspiracy theory.
Phat writes:
Thus, I think that the public hears very little of what is actually happening.
Yes, many of us are ignorant of the "alternative facts."

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 60 of 582 (896085)
07-31-2022 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Phat
07-30-2022 2:44 PM


Re: Attempting to explain my understanding without a video
Phat writes:
Why on earth would I want higher taxes for the middle class...?
Because that tax money could be used to raise up the ones who are lower on the scale than you - i.e. to create more taxpayers. In the long term, it would lower the burden on you.
But as long as you fall for the right-wing promises of "tax cuts", you're just helping the rich to keep you down.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 76 of 582 (896171)
08-02-2022 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Phat
08-01-2022 3:38 PM


Re: Attempting to explain my understanding without a video
Phat writes:
I think it all started when Nixon decoupled the dollar from gold in 1971.
It's too bad you didn't have your enormous fund of economic wisdom back then. If you had bought gold in 1970, how rich would you be now?

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 495 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 87 of 582 (896230)
08-03-2022 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
08-03-2022 10:54 AM


Re: Attempting to explain my understanding without a video
Phat writes:
This whole idea of digital money (an upcoming reality)...
Money has been "digital" - i.e. a number in a ledger in a bank - for centuries.
Phat writes:
And I don't trust governments nor do I feel they should have that much authority over money.
Remember the good old days when the banks printed their own currency? How did that work out?
Phat writes:
My gripe has now been redefined as private money vs public money.
We know you hate the public. We know you side with the private money of the rich rather than the public money of the poor. What we don't understand is why.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 495 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 92 of 582 (896248)
08-03-2022 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Phat
08-03-2022 1:21 PM


Re: Attempting to explain my understanding without a video
Phat writes:
What I hate is overarching government control ...
The government IS the public.
Phat writes:
My government should not have the right to decide what's best for me while controlling my future.
Of course it should. Society means putting your own selfish desires in second place, behind the greater good.
Phat writes:
Before you know it, we as a society will have blundered into a one-world government...
You can keep that apocalyptic nonsense to yourself.
Phat writes:
and mandatory compliance.
You have mandatory compliance now.
Phat writes:
While my country is getting older and grayer and needs social security, the rich are spending up all the surplus and pushing me...and the public...into a collective poor farm. How do you like them apples?
You're the one who is pushing the agenda of the rich. Get on the side of the public if you want me to have sympathy for your plight.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 495 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 94 of 582 (896252)
08-03-2022 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Phat
08-03-2022 4:51 PM


Re: Ringo needs to define the Side Of The Public
Phat writes:
Kindly enlighten me...briefly...on this Agenda Of The Rich and contrast it with The Agenda Of The Public.
The agenda of the rich is to get richer.
The agenda of the public is to make a better world for their children.
Phat writes:
I already know that one of the agendas of *your* idea for the public is to sharply put the bill in the mailbox of everyone earning roughly $30,000.00 a year...
I made a little over $12,000 Canadian last year. Should i shed tears for the ones who make $30,000? (The good news is that i spent less than I made last month.)
Phat writes:
And by the way, I reluctantly accept that idea though I don't want the government to turn the middle and lower classes into one giant class.
Why not?
Phat writes:
As I said earlier, I don't want to be forced to give up my car and take buses everywhere.
If you're "forced" to give up your car, it will be because of global warming.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 495 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 107 of 582 (896280)
08-04-2022 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
08-03-2022 5:21 PM


Re: Redefining The American Dream
Phat writes:
These days, One could nearly say that the rich hijacked the dream my parents had.
And you're helping them do it.
Phat writes:
Perhaps your idea of an American/Canadian Dream is nothing more than (that)everyone has a roof over their head, enough food, and basic needs such as medical, dental, and clothing being affordable.
How can you be comfortable with more than that when you know other people have less than that?
Phat writes:
By the time the public includes everyone in the world and guarantees no hunger or homelessness, we all will ave a very spartan living standard.
Will you ever listen? When you pull up the bottom, you pull up everybody.
Phat writes:
To me that is not progress, but it is empathy, I suppose.
For you, a little empathy would definitely be progress.
Phat writes:
But then we still have the thieves. They will always take what they can get and wont care who they hurt or whose stuff it is.
You mean the rich? Whom you support.
Phat writes:
I suppose Jesus would not want us fighting them or locking them up. Comments?
Well, He would want you to visit them in prison.
He would also want you to forgive them, not advocate having armed guards to shoot them.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 495 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 108 of 582 (896281)
08-04-2022 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Phat
08-04-2022 12:28 AM


Re: Ringo needs to define the Side Of The Public
Phat writes:
... some things should be kept private and not part of a giant pool of money controlled by governments.
You'd rather have them controlled by ultra-rich monsters like Trump? And he wasn't even very good at stealing from you.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 109 of 582 (896757)
08-19-2022 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Phat
07-19-2022 10:02 AM


Re: Making A Case For The claims of Peter Schiff
Phat writes:
(And I think it's odd that you mention "we" as if the EvC peanut gallery is the Supreme Court. I've noticed that a lot of you use the same terminology.
‚Äč
You all are wrong about finance in general.
"We" simply refers to those of us who are wrong about finance, O Great Guru. We are monolithic in being wrong.
Phat writes:
It may take me a while to prove it, using my own words. But I will try.
At the rate you're going, even if you were born yesterday you would not live long enough.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 495 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 139 of 582 (904472)
12-30-2022 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Phat
12-30-2022 9:20 AM


Re: Scare Tactics or Simply an Informed Opinion?
Phat writes:
The world as we know it is competitive before it is cooperative. That's human nature.
Obviously false. Families are cooperative, not competitive. Parents don't typically take the food out of their children's mouths.
(Funny how right-wing nuts claim to be "pro-family", yet they define "human nature" as decidedly anti-family.)
Phat writes:
And don't blame the Republicans when it happens.
What "it" is that? The conspiracy to make a "New World Order"? Who is doing the conspiring?
(By the way, the anti-Semitic conspiracy nuts that I mentioned a while ago, the ones who sounded exactly like you, they were sure that the "New World Order" would come about by the year 2000.)

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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