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Theodoric
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Message 44 of 582 (895942)
07-26-2022 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Phat
07-25-2022 11:39 PM


Re: An Apologist Who Explains His Logic On A Whiteboard
How about attempting an argument to show you actually even understand what they are saying? Does it not concern you that these guys make their arguments on youtube instead of in mainstream financial papers?
Why do I bother? Skip this. Crawl back under your rock.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 47 of 582 (896007)
07-28-2022 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
07-28-2022 11:11 AM


Re: An Apologist Who Explains His Logic On A Whiteboard
So much of this just displays your utter ignorance on finance, financial markets and economics. I don't have time for showing your errors just for you to ignore what I post.
Good luck with your continued financial endeavors. Follow these yahoos. Go for it. Obviously, this fills your need as you struggle with religion.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 79 of 582 (896179)
08-02-2022 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Phat
08-02-2022 2:49 PM


Re: Attempting to explain my understanding without a video
They are not competitors. Why would you think so? Coherent arguments please. No videos.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 80 of 582 (896181)
08-02-2022 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Phat
08-02-2022 2:43 PM


Re: without a video
sanctimoniously pointed out, I inherited a condo
Do you even know what that word means? We were merely pointing out your hypocrisy.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 84 of 582 (896221)
08-03-2022 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
08-03-2022 10:54 AM


Re: Attempting to explain my understanding without a video
Nixon said that he was defending the dollar against the speculators,
Quote please.
ut it now seems to me that Gold itself is being defended manipulated against speculators
Source and relevance.
If a man has gold, and the value was allowed unfettered market speculation, he could profit from inflated currencies
Explain how.
and also hide his true assets from government oversight
To what end?
And I don't trust governments nor do I feel they should have that much authority over money.
Why? Alternative?
I realize that Money competes with money.
Explain what this means. Relevance?
My gripe has now been redefined as private money vs public money.
Explain what this means.
And eventual global control over where any and all of the money is kept at any given moment.
How? By who? The big them?
You make all sorts of weird pronouncements and claims, but it is all word salad without any explanation or evidence.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 91 of 582 (896240)
08-03-2022 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Phat
08-03-2022 1:21 PM


Re: Attempting to explain my understanding without a video
This is not true.
higher and higher taxes while at the same time waiting to afford an electric car while he fills up on 6.00 a gallon++ gasoline.
Give more up to help the poor become equal to us in wealth (which by necessity decreases our wealth) and take the city bus to work in the meantime?
Keeping people poor does not help you. It actually hurts you and costs all of us more.
You are the poster child of amoral christians.
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What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 97 of 582 (896257)
08-03-2022 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Phat
08-03-2022 4:51 PM


Re: Ringo needs to define the Side Of The Public
How about responding to my questions on your previous nutjob post.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 98 of 582 (896258)
08-03-2022 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Phat
08-03-2022 5:10 PM


Re: Attempting to explain my understanding without a video
Your arguments are all lies or whining of a petulant, entitled asshole.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 103 of 582 (896267)
08-03-2022 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Percy
08-03-2022 6:31 PM


Re: Attempting to explain my understanding without a video
I am aware of Nixon's speech. My point to Phat is whether he actually listened to the speech and does he actually know what Nixon said.

Edited by Theodoric, .


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 106 of 582 (896278)
08-04-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Phat
08-04-2022 12:28 AM


Still no support for your ravings. Just more ravings.
I was hoping you could present the actual Nixon quote and explain what he meant in the global context of 1971. Or is that beyond your abilities?
But it now seems to me that Gold itself is being defended against speculators.
How? By who?
I don't have facts offhand to back this up except my belief that Gold is and was the only real money that is not debt-based and thus someone else's obligation. Note how much Gold is held by countries:
Irrelevant. Gold is a commodity. So is oil. That is why we have the strategic oil reserve. Gold is not a currency it is a commodity.
If a man has gold, and the value was allowed unfettered market speculation, he could profit from inflated currencies and also hide his true assets from government oversight.
You can have gold. All you want. How are you going to spend it? What are you going to do when speculators drive the price up and down. Ever hear of the Hunt brothers and silver?
Because Gold holds its value much better than either currencies or blockchains. This is true of hard assets like commodities in general
Really? Provide evidence.
though Gold is the backbone of Central Bank backing.
Really? Provide source for this.
If one buys small quantities of precious metals they slip below the radar and are not liable for capital gains.
How does owning gold make you liable for capital gains? Do you understand the tax system?
There may be points where a bail-in is the best of all possible options. Do you know of any real-world examples in the US or is this just something you heard on youtube?
Money that is not subject to government control in order to bail out the system through bailing in the assets of banks.
There is not money without government. Please define public vs private money.
Let's just say I'm paranoid of being controlled.
By who? Sounds like you are simply mentally ill.
I'm honest apart from the fact that some things should be kept private and not part of a giant pool of money controlled by governments.
I am still confused by what you mean by that it it sounds like you are too.
Gold still backs fiat money indirectly
How? If the US liquidated all its gold what do you think would happen? What if we sold all of the oil we own or all of every other commodity the US owns?
A 5000-year track record is nothing to dismiss so lightly, however.
How has that track record compared with other commodities and currencies?
You have not answered anything I asked with sources and data. All you have done is recite things you heard on youtube with absolutely nothing to support your wild-ass ravings. Typical. How do you expect anyone to treat you seriously when you cannot support even your most basic claims?

Edited by Theodoric, : new subtitle

Edited by Theodoric, : spell no correctly

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What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 110 of 582 (896760)
08-19-2022 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by ringo
08-19-2022 11:42 AM


Re: Making A Case For The claims of Peter Schiff
Still waiting for him to show us how well gold and crypto are doing.
ABE
Seems to be another major crypto crash today. Funny how we don't have to worry about that with fiat currencies.

Edited by Theodoric, .


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 112 of 582 (896763)
08-20-2022 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Phat
08-20-2022 7:24 AM


Re: Fiat Money Pros & Cons
Who is Mathew Emmanuel Pineda? Why should I care about anything he says? What is the website Profulus? Why should I care what they post?
How about you try explaining in your own words and make a valid argument for each point?
I have plenty of arguments, but I am not going to discuss via link. Stop being a troll and learn a subject before you decide to expound on it.
I am still waiting for a response to Message 106 and how is your gold doing? Those cryptos are lighting the world on fire, aren't they? What was that about fiat money losing its value?
Stop being a troll and actually understand the shit you throw out. Yeah, I said it twice. Maybe you might actually listen at some point.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 117 of 582 (896769)
08-20-2022 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Phat
08-20-2022 1:50 PM


Re: Fiat Money Pros & Cons
CCP? Community College of Philadelphia?
What does any of this have to do with your prior rants? Argument and data please not just more baseless assertions Still waiting on an actual response to my previous post. Forget it. It is not going to happen so I will just write you off.
The deterioration of your mental state is truly disturbing. You need counseling. Start by staying off youtube and tiktok and actually read about subjects. Oh yeah crawl back under your rock.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 123 of 582 (896780)
08-22-2022 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by kjsimons
08-21-2022 5:46 PM


Re: Fiat Money Pros & Cons
I assumed that too, but he really needs to fill us in so we can follow his myriad conspiracy theories.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 129 of 582 (904418)
12-29-2022 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Phat
12-29-2022 7:31 AM


Re: Scare Tactics or Simply an Informed Opinion?
So you trust racists and homophobes. Also Porter Stansberry has been found guilty of fraud in the past.
quote:
Though Stansberry Research works hard to seem like an investment company, the reality is that they are an umbrella website that draws internet traffic to a single site and sells subscriptions for a variety of newsletters for writers who use them for publishing purposes.
Porter Stansberry, who runs Stansberry & Associates Investment Research, is perhaps best known for his devoutly anti-government stance and his use of viral videos and essays on topics like "The End of America" to bring interest and clientele to his company.
While working for Agora Financial, another financial newsletter publishing company, Stansberry and Pirate Investment were successfully sued by the SEC for defrauding subscribers of a newsletter Stansberry wrote under the name 'Jay McDaniel.'
Just a moment...
Nice source you have there.
Oh yeah Daniella. She is a journalist. Nothing more. No expert. But evidently dishonest. Please present more charlatans.
Daniela Cambone’s Dishonest Journalism | Investment Research Dynamics

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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