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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Strike two. Easy-to-listen-to does not equate to knows-what-he's-talking-about. An excellent example of that would be young-earth creationists. Especially when their audience knows even less than they do and has already bought into what he's selling. OTOH, if you do know something about evolution, science, and the creationist's claims, then creationists are very hard to listen to. Kent Hovind is a prime example of that. I'm sure it's the same with financial conmen.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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However, jumping into real estate is not a panacea. If you want to make money that way, you have to get involved in knowing the risks and following market conditions. My father's father tried to get in on every get-rich scheme he could, many of them involving real estate and none of which panned out. My father's story is that he once tried to get into peanut farming but he planted the crop at the wrong phase of the moon so the plants all went to tops instead of roots, hence no crop (literally what my father told me; later the "POM factor" had become a software engineering term for explaining intermittent bugs (AKA "spurious anomalies"): "Why did that just happen?" "Must be the phase of the moon."). My father learned from his father's bad example and avoided such schemes, choosing instead to be the most honest small businessman he could be (general contractor). But he still fell for a couple real estate investment deals: Golden Valley, AZ, near Kingman and in Palmdale just north of Los Angeles. Both were desert properties and he bought both of them because of "inside information" that they would be on the site of a new airport -- in the late 60's one idea for solving the problem of expanding LAX was to build a new airport out in Palmdale and use light rail to ferry the passengers into LA. Of course, neither investment panned out and the family inherited those headaches which were never any part of any actual development of any kind but rather remained empty desert lots. We finally rid ourselves of the last one last year. As we were going through the nightmare of a real estate deal being conducted remotely because of COVID (I had to do a lot of printing of documents, then scanning the signed printouts to re-send them), I mentioned it at the local Atheists United monthly breakfast meeting. A woman there about my age told me about her aunt who had fancied herself a real estate investor; it was a good thing she didn't have much money to begin with, so there was a limit to how much she lost. She had also bought property in Palmdale because of news that they were going to build an airport there. And she had also bought land in Golden Valley because an airport was going to be built there too (looking at a map, Kingman Airport is actually on the opposite side of Kingman). That's when I told her about my father's involvement with that same Golden Valley deal. BTW, we inherited those properties in 1995 at which time we had them appraised. We ended up selling one under the appraised value and the last one at the appraised value. Don't know what he had paid for them originally, but I doubt that they had appreciated by much. Just a real-life object lesson in real estate investment.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
If a scheme promises that you can sit back while riches accumulate, it is likely to be a scam. Though that's actually how we are taught to view real estate. Real estate appreciates while everything else depreciates. What they don't tell you is that some real estate appreciates so slowly that it can take several generations before you see much profit.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
In it they discuss SETI and at the end humorously, but seriously, go into length about whether there is life on Earth and how ET might be able to detect it. I've always maintained that the problem for artificial intelligence is that there's nothing in nature to pattern it after.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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The joke is along the same lines as:
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Because we do not comprehend the structure we are attempting to model our efforts have fallen well short of desired but the logic and information processing and creative functions of the human brain have always been the stated goal. Regarding trying to model AI after human brain activity, that would prove rather problematic. Just think of aviation and how all the early attempts to achieve mechanized flight by flapping the wings never succeeded. While birds' wings did provide us a model for the shape of aircraft wings, we use those wings in manners entirely different from those of the birds. Computer hardware and human neural wetware are structured entirely differently and operate on entirely different principles. My thinking was shaped by The Brains of Men and Machines (by Ernest W. Kent, BYTE Books, 1981) which I recommend (if you can find a copy) even though I last read it in the mid-80's. The human brain is not only massively parallel, but also hierarchical as an intended action keeps getting broken down into sub-actions getting assigned to subnetworks (AKA "muscle memory") all the way down to the muscle-pair with its "hardwired" gating system that disables one muscle of that pair while the other muscle is contracting. Oh, and that "muscle memory" gets "programmed" by the human brain's ability to re-wire itself (ie, forming new connections between neurons, which is how stroke victims can relearn how to use their bodies) -- in The Machine That Changed The World, the analogy to that was described as opening up a mainframe computer cabinet and watching it literally rewiring itself. And computers function with sequential threads of execution. I was also trained by the US Air Force in electronic computer systems repair. Part of that training involved chasing sparks through the logic diagrams of an actual functioning CPU, the COMTRAN-10 trainer -- I still have my book of the logic diagrams. I have seen up close and personal how computers actually think. It is sequential, not parallel. There are things that computers can do far better than humans, but there are things that a very young human can do which is beyond what computers can do, like a five-year-old's grasp of human language (in our Spanish/English extended family, the young kids were easily able to keep track of which grandparents used which language). So then rather than trying to model how the human brain works, the task is to figure out how to get computers to perform the same kinds of tasks.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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SO show us HOW the Democrats are responsible for the debt. As I recall, Dubya (a Republican) got us into two major wars without providing for how to pay for those wars. The singular major accomplishment of the Trump Administration was the massive 2017 Tax Scam for the rich which blew a massive hole in the debt again without any provision for paying for it. Contrasted with that was Biden's two major bills which included ways to pay for them. Indeed, there was much discussion and negotiating over how to pay for these measures. We have seen this pattern for the past decades, in which a Republican administration ruins the economy, leaving it to the next president, a Democrat, to clean up their mess and get the economy back on track, just to be followed by yet another Republican president who ruins the economy yet again. Obviously, Democrats are by far much better at running the economy than that Republicans. And it's the Republicans who are by far more responsible for the size of the debt.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Phat doesn't believe the "progressive narrative" because it isn't a conspiracy theory. Steven Colbert on NPR about 2 decades ago: And it's not a joke. Liberals are the ones who deal in reality (or at least deal with reality) even to the point of supporting "traditional conservative values" (like America, democracy, the Constitution, voting, the Rule of Law, national and international security, a strong economy, etc, etc, etc, ... ) while so-called "conservatives" now reject and even oppose vehemently all those "traditional conservative values" and continue to plummet into the depths of dystopian fantasy.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Of course they don't store their wealth as dollars. That would be stupid. How true. We working class stiffs think of money as a sign of wealth, whereas the wealthy think of non-liquid assets such as properties, stock, commodities, collections, etc. Cash, the thing we crave, is the stupidest thing to accumulate since it only diminishes in value (due to inflation) and is taxable. Plus, even the wealthiest person can only spend so much, which is why sales tax hits the poor and middle-class much harder in terms of percentage of one's income/wealth. Investing cash results in taxable interest income, whereas investing in non-liquid assets allows one to accumulate more non-taxable wealth; the only time you are taxed on that accumulated wealth is when you sell it, which the wealthy are far too smart to do. When they do need cash, instead of selling an asset they use that asset as collateral for a loan, which if done right could also get them a tax exemption. Not only does it take money to make money, but it takes wealth to avoid paying taxes when you use that wealth. And if you can buy a politician then you can get a tax law that creates a special exemption just for you; a CPA friend pointed out a few examples, such as a special exemption for a school that meets certain requirements which it just so happened applies to one and only one school (Nance's Law: Coincidences require a lot of planning). Edited by dwise1, : thing, not think
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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I suffer from those biases as well, and I blame it on growing up in the lower middle class and having money struggles for most of my early adult life. Living paycheck to paycheck was absolutely frightening at times. I think that is why I have way too much money in my checking account right now and am reluctant to put it into longer term investments. Yes, we have had to live with a very small financial safety buffer wherein we had to pay almost everything we earned almost as soon as it came in. The common wisdom is that most American households are just two paychecks away from living on the streets and that one unexpected $400 bill can be devastating. And don't even mention what a medical emergency can do; I've heard that the bills from a medical emergency is a frequent cause of family bankruptcy. For example, I've had three big hospitalizations: emergency bowel resection ($64,000), triple angioplasty ($88,000), and ER and 4 days hospitalization from a gastric bleed (post-endoscopic gastric surgery gone bad; I haven't looked at the EOB for that one yet). The first two were covered by medical insurance from work and the third by my military retirement medical benefit, but without that coverage I'd have been back to paying a mortgage. And my cases were minor compared to many. But on a less dire note, when I was on active duty as a married junior enlisted, I was paid twice a month and two or three days before payday I had already spent almost the full paycheck paying the bills (and that was making the minimum payments). We were able to grow out of that, but too many families cannot. In that situation, we had to keep enough in checking to cover expenses and could only put a little away into savings earning far too little interest -- my plan for covering the "balloon payments" of insurance premiums (car and homeowners, etc) and property taxes was to divide those payments by the number of paychecks and put that much into savings so that I could pull that money out when those bills came due. So as a result, we are accustomed to keeping our liquidity in checking as you described. This reminded me of a Gedankenexperiment (thought experiment) I had conducted with respect to the Great GOP Tax Scam of 2017. Here is what I wrote in reply to Phat in Message 264 (28-Nov-2018 in The Right Side of the News):
dwise1 writes: Also, agriculture got very busy selling off as much crops as they could before Trump's tariffs and phony trade war started. I retired half-way into January of this year. For decades I have used an Excel spreadsheet to figure out what I need to have withheld for income taxes (both my then-wife and I made about the same salary, but the formulae on the W-4 forms always had me withholding too little (thus threatening me with penalties should that persist) so I had to estimate my taxes in order to ensure that enough was being withheld from my pay. One thing I noticed with the new tax scam was that my federal withholding was less, so my take-home pay was more. Now, I have no idea what my taxes will actually be like this year nor does anybody else, but I'm sure that every working American has looked at their paycheck and has thought that they have gotten a big break -- they have more money! Doesn't anybody remember the Big Tax Break from George Bush I (Dubya's father)? His big tax break was to have less taken out through withholding so everybody's take-home pay would be more, but at the end of the year everybody still owed the same amount of tax. A huge swindle from the guy so out of touch with citizens' reality that he was fascinated by a grocery store's laser scanner, a technology which at that time was already about two decades old. Basically, this entire GOP tax scam is based on trickle-down economics which has never worked and never will work. We saw this in Gov. Brownback's great Kansas experiment in which he created a trickle-down state economy which brought about economic ruin. At the same time, California faced with economic disaster from 2008 took the opposite approach and has emerged economically strong. In my engineering career, I called that the "Jello Test", as in "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." You have possible solutions to a problem. Run them and see what works. We have tried trickle-down and have found that it does not work. We have tried taxing the rich and that does work. Nu? Within the past couple days, I saw (as I recall) a statistic that 65% of the US workforce has to work multiple jobs and still do not qualify as "middle class". Now here's a Gedankenexperiment ("thought experiment") that I have conducted myself. Take the "tax break" and distribute it to amongst the 1% (as has already been done). Each one receives somewhere between $33,000 and $330,000 (the actual amount escapes me at the moment). What do they do with that extra money? Practically nothing, which starves the economy. OK, in order to establish an economic baseline, let's take the opposite approach of looking at what will happen if, instead of dumping all kinds of money into the hands of the rich, the 1%, we were to distribute that same money to everybody else, the 99%. As I recall hearing during the tax scam debates, each of the 1% would be getting $33,000. US population is about 308 million, so 1% of that would be about 3 million and 99% would be about 305 million. $33,000 to each of 3 million people adds up to about $100 billion (109). Now distributing that to each citizen equally, both the 1%-ers and the 99%-ers, and each citizen would receive about $325. What would each person in the 99% do with $325? Spend it! Buy food, clothing, and other goods. What would that do for the economy? Sure, $325 doesn't sound like much, but when 305 million people are all spending $325 each, that adds up to $99 billion being injected into the economy. Now that would really rev up the economy. But if we instead give all that $100 billion to the 3 million of the 1%, what would they do with that extra $33,000? Virtually nothing. All their basics needs (food, shelter, clothing) have already been met, so they don't any necessary expenses to put that money to. Maybe use it to buy a trinket or an expensive toy (the superyacht market is now booming). Or gamble with it (ie, stock market speculation). Or just shove it into a drawer (metaphorically speaking) and forget they even have it. Whatever they do with it, very little of it would find its way into the economy. So instead of revving up the economy, Trump is starving it and trying to smother it. In my forum notes for that Gedankenexperiment, I quoted Dolly Levi from Hello, Dolly:
quote: At the time, I used the "upper 1%" definition for the wealthiest, but later learned that in order to qualify for the "upper 1%" you only needed to earn a measly half million a year. In VOX' YouTube video, Who pays the lowest taxes in the US? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXCGbAv8YPw), they defined that group as the 400 richest households which would amount to the top 0.000120682114 %. The ones we're talking about fall somewhere in between. But the point remains that if you give money to the rich (much less than 1% of the population), then you're pulling that money out of circulation to the detriment of the economy, whereas if you give it to the low and middle class then they're going to spend it immediately on necessities, putting all that money back into circulation to the benefit of the economy.
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