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Tangle
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Message 105 of 582 (896270)
08-04-2022 2:49 AM


You guys place a high value on the 'pursuit of happiness' but you're really bad at creating the circumstances that promote it. Stuff like equality, community, low corruption, trust of government, health etc
"A central takeaway from nine years of happiness reports is that a wealthier country is not always a happier country. In the U.S., “we are living with such incredibly frayed social trust and bad vibes and addictions and so many other things, and still [people say] ‘Don't tax me,’ ‘Don’t tax the rich,’” Jeffrey Sachs, an economist at Columbia University and an editor of the report, told me. “This is part of our politics that I think is all wrong, and that I think is what puts us well behind countries that are not quite as rich as the United States but in my view are much more balanced in their lives.”
We’re Learning the Wrong Lessons From the World’s Happiest Countries

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 141 of 582 (904477)
12-30-2022 12:54 PM


Hey Phat, how do you feel about billionaire Trump paying sod-all tax? He paid less than you did, does that seem fair to you?
quote:
A great deal of those revelations come from an investigation published by the New York Times in 2020, which obtained two decades of Mr Trump's tax returns from before his time in office. The documents gave unprecedented insight into Mr Trump's businesses.
They revealed he paid little to no federal income taxes over that period, and that Mr Trump had reported in his tax filings that his businesses lost significant amounts of money - despite his public boasts of financial success. In 2017, the Times reported, Trump paid just $750 (£623) in federal income tax despite being a billionaire.
Trump's tax returns are released. It was a long journey - BBC News

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 143 of 582 (904480)
12-30-2022 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Phat
12-30-2022 1:30 PM


Re: Trump Card
Phat writes:
You could take 50% of the wealth from the Forbes 400 and barely make a dent in the national debt. That's what irritates me....this huge debt. And it's Democrats as well as Republicans that have created that debt.
So you think it's ok for the super wealthy to pay no tax?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 146 of 582 (904488)
12-30-2022 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Phat
12-30-2022 3:37 PM


Re: Trump Card
Phat writes:
How are you going to tax them?
Before we get into that I'd like to you to say that you don't think it's fair that Trump pays less tax than pretty much anyone in America, including a store supervisor.
They have legal loopholes.
So hire a government that fixes unfair loopholes for the rich.
(I suspect that won't be a Trump-style government.)
Fair is not the issue.
Fair taxation is exactly the issue.
I think its unfair for the middle class to get wiped out simply to help the poor since the rich won't do it if thats what you mean.
You're changing the subject.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 150 of 582 (904562)
01-01-2023 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Phat
01-01-2023 12:03 PM


Re: Trump Card
Phat writes:
Tax them all you want. You still will have an unpayable National Debt.
You just can't bring yourself to say that people - whoever they are - should pay their fair share of tax can you? You don't actually want a fair society, a Christian society, where people all chip in for the common good at all do you?
A tax increase for the wealthy wont solve the fiscal problems that a Democratically appointed Federal Reserve has caused.
I couldn't care less about the crap that you're obsessing about today, the point is to imagine a fair system and implement it. After that you might find that other things become possible too.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 154 of 582 (904586)
01-02-2023 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by Phat
01-02-2023 9:10 AM


Re: The Global Debt Overshadows All Else
Phat writes:
The problem is that we are a secular society (not a problem in itself) that has other spirits running the place other than the Holy one. (But of course you call such talk madness.
I call that stupidity. Rank stupidity. And it makes me really angry.
You believe in spooks, demons, gods and whatever, but you also call yourself a Christian, so behave like one - tax all according to their ability to earn. Only evil cunts like Trump want an unequal society so that they can exploit it for themselves and they rely on the gullible like you to do it. Be a Christian Phat, a real one, just give it a go, you'll like it.
This is what baffles me about you. You claim to have some knowledge and insight into the financial system and how it works, but you seem oblivious to the failure of fiat currencies backed by nothing except the people.
I have a masters degree in business and have run my own business for 20 years so I do have a handle on financial system but I couldn't give a flying fart about fiat currencies and even less about what an uneducated store supervisor thinks he's learnt about them from a YouTube video.
For god's sake Phat, try "do as you would be done by" for a while.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 199 of 582 (909409)
04-03-2023 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Phat
04-03-2023 11:08 AM


Re: More Examples Of Upcoming DeDollarization
"The Check-out Economist writes:
Oh and by the way, present your evidence that Dr.Stephen Leeb is a fraud.
Well that took me 15 seconds.
Fund Manager and Publisher Charged With Investment Fraud
"In an administrative complaint, the agency charged that from "at least" March 1992 until "at least" September 1993, Stephen L. Leeb, a fund manager and investment adviser based in New York, and KCI Communications Inc., a publisher of several newsletters based in Alexandria, Va., used a newsletter Mr. Leeb edited as a marketing vehicle to promote a fraudulent investment strategy."
Fund Manager and Publisher Charged With Investment Fraud - The New York Times

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 213 of 582 (909608)
04-06-2023 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Phat
04-06-2023 3:24 PM


Re: A Damselfly In Distress
Doom! Doom! We're all doomed!
Just another loony tunes Christian, begging and praying for the apocalypse.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 383 of 582 (917950)
04-20-2024 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 374 by Phat
04-20-2024 10:03 AM


Re: Theo Demands Credentials
Did you really just call us all a name but didn't know what it meant?
You really are just regurgitating the crap you hear on Youtube without understanding any of it aren't you?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 411 of 582 (918092)
04-22-2024 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 410 by Percy
04-22-2024 3:44 PM


Re: Theo Demands Credentials
I've experimented with ChatGPT and Copilot, they're both almost useless; they've been castrated. When they're not just wrong, they're ambivalent and/or stupid.
I'm told they're useful as programmers.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 458 of 582 (918251)
04-24-2024 5:15 PM


Kill it.
On the other hand it is important to not kill it. It's critical to understand why killing it would provide a solution. However, sometimes it is vital to kill it. In certain circumstances, killing it would be the correct course of action. In others it would not be. It's crucial to understand that ....

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 468 of 582 (918302)
04-25-2024 3:04 PM


Chat GPT is an absolute arse. It's damn dangerous, people are probably using it thinking that it's some kind of expert - it's not, it gets so many things just plain wrong. Copilot is even worse, with the exception that it can actually give you references and its sources, but it's dumber, often quite stupid. But it's really good at comparing products - great a finding a fridge.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 474 of 582 (918313)
04-25-2024 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 470 by Phat
04-25-2024 3:30 PM


Re: The Philosophy Behind The Topic
Percy writes:
Percy thinks that I am a rube,
Don't fool yourself more than necessary, it's not just Percy, have you found anybody but you disagreeing with him?
but I have an intuition that says I am on to something.
The first reason that you've been so shit at life so far is that your "intuition" is shit. The second reason, is that you can't reason enough to work that out, even though people here have tried explaining it to you and your own life experience should tell you that that is the case.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 485 of 582 (918369)
04-28-2024 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by Phat
04-28-2024 3:44 PM


Re: Chicken Little Costs More In Inflated Terms
Phat writes:
I assimilate information differently than you do. You demand data. You need to see college degrees. You trust government "experts". I do not take notes. I listen to many sources but tend to avoid the ones that most of the peanut gallery consider well informed and trustworthy.
And how has that worked out for you?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 537 of 582 (918486)
05-05-2024 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 536 by Phat
05-05-2024 12:46 PM


Re: Moderator On Duty
Phat writes:
Its your loss..not mine.
It really isn't Phat, you've gone loony tunes again. If God is your financial advisor, don't you think you might be doing a little bit better than you are?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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