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Message 591 of 1086 (868930)
12-20-2019 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 589 by ringo
12-20-2019 10:48 AM


Re: The Goat Whisperer
What fruit did he eat?
He had a conversation with a snake.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 593 of 1086 (868944)
12-20-2019 2:11 PM
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12-20-2019 12:15 PM


Re: The Goat Whisperer
No, silly. His cousin Vinny. Vinny the Snake.
The one who tried to hit on Eve.

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Message 868 of 1086 (897849)
09-13-2022 7:00 PM
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09-13-2022 5:44 PM


More Dragonflies
We don’t just act for deterministic reasons like a dragonfly or a bacterium, we act for reasons we consciously represent to ourselves and can explain to others. In that extended act of consciousness we find we have the agency to be responsible for our reasoning and therefore for our actions. That is the extent of our free will.

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Message 871 of 1086 (897955)
09-16-2022 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 870 by Phat
09-16-2022 3:41 PM


Re: Moving This Over Here
Humans are not children. Children dont need to become forced to believe in God. They should be given time to conclude for themselves.
Like the threat of eternity in a lake of fire hanging over your every action is not force?
Thank you, Phat, for pointing up more religious nutzoidness.

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Message 872 of 1086 (897956)
09-16-2022 4:12 PM
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09-16-2022 3:41 PM


Re: Moving This Over Here
And lets say that a choice between Heaven and Hell is no choice at all. What do you propose wwe do? Ignore the whole story and reject it hook,line, and sinker?
A truly excellent idea. When will you start?

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Message 879 of 1086 (897995)
09-17-2022 12:47 PM
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09-17-2022 10:42 AM


Re: Moving This Over Here
Scripture tells us that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
Fear is a heightened awareness, notice, mixed with the dread of pending harm. Wisdom is not just knowledge but awareness of how that knowledge can be used and thus propose potential actions.
Interpret this verse as: being aware of the evil of your god is the first step in countering it.
You should feel embarrassed that some atheist is required to interpret holy scripture for you.

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Message 880 of 1086 (897998)
09-17-2022 1:31 PM
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09-17-2022 10:51 AM


Re: Moving This Over Here
Would you allow the chemical effects of peyote or a magic mushroom to lead you into a seemingly magical place that the universe seems to beckon you toward?
Uhh, that kinda is their intended effect so you get a firm hell yeah on that one.
... snippet ...
Snippet? The most evil punishment ever devised, and devised specifically to provide jesus to save you from it? That snippet?
The very reason for jesus' existential existence is to provide an escape from this "snippet". It is the very center of your religion. Without this "snippet" you have no christianity.
Would you, despite laughing at all gods...be they fallen angels or Creators, feel drawn towards the ground of all meaning?(or so you think) the majik of physics, the answers that are as new as the latest star and yet as old as the universe itself?
Hard to tell but if you are referring to reality then, yeah, I'm drawn. And, yes, we've been trying to get you to join us for decades now. You haven't noticed that effort?
If so, why be surprised when I invite you to join me on my journey?
What surprise? That is the great commission for you jesus freaks, is it not? I mean, you may not do as he commands in all things but proselytizing, preaching, that's something you like.
Are we humans meant to find a common consensus?
Between reality and fantasy? Already there. Your religious fantasy lost.
Perhaps even the universe itself is not monolithic but is one of an infinite number of multiverses!
And maybe the Grand Unicorn poops in the universe next door.

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Message 908 of 1086 (907052)
02-18-2023 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 907 by Greatest I am
02-18-2023 2:11 PM


Science has already proven beyond a doubt that we instinctively know good from evil when born and default to good by default as the best survival strategy.
No. Science has "proven" beyond a doubt that morality is mostly locally acculturated and that any personality component of a genetic nature spans a spectrum but is usually too weak to overcome the moral dictates of society during childhood. Some kids seem naturally softies while others aren't so nice. Society layers over and dominates that nature.
BTW, a philosophy thing ... science cannot prove.
Science collects and assesses the evidence and creates models of the reality revealed. We have a greater or lesser degree of confidence in the models we develop. The more the model matches the reality we see the more confidence we have in the model to predict future (reveal past) events accurately. Further, that confidence level is always tentative, as in forever open to modification pending any future data yet to be discovered.
Examples would be we have an enormous amount of confidence (evidence and predictive models) for both big bang and evolution. No one has presented any kind of different model (religion, tea leaves, pet theory) with the sheer number and quality of data points in evidence of each. These are some of the strongest and most evidenced models of reality we have ever developed. We still do not say they are proven.
In the popular vernacular we can accept "prove" as a shorthand for the actuality.

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Message 916 of 1086 (907163)
02-19-2023 12:12 PM
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02-19-2023 9:18 AM


Haven't you heard? Science can't prove anything.
That's just what I said, Dredge. Are you not paying attention?

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Message 918 of 1086 (907172)
02-19-2023 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 917 by Dredge
02-19-2023 1:33 PM


What is a Gnostic Christian?
A different flavor of fairy tale religion stemming from the older abrahamic fairy tales. Details don't matter. It's a religion just as real and just as dumb as yours.

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Message 928 of 1086 (907322)
02-21-2023 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 927 by Dredge
02-21-2023 4:03 PM


I'm a Catholic and I honestly can't recall any priest telling me to steal, rape, injure, murder or traffick illegal drugs.
You weren't listening.
Most recently the priests have been telling people to injure and murder others by denying them legal condoms. It just never stops with your evil church, Dredge.

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Message 937 of 1086 (907357)
02-21-2023 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 934 by Dredge
02-21-2023 6:52 PM


Re: Answering For The Peanut Gallery
What about those "free-thinkers" who think they're "free" without Christ? Delusion HQ.
That's one of them jesus crackers backing up into your brain, Dredge. Being free thinking means I can ignore your brand of religious delusion with no problems at all. That is the power of mind - gods one day, gone the next.
Gimme an H! Gimme a U! Gimme an M! Gimme an A! Gimme an N!
Geaux Yumons!

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Message 940 of 1086 (907367)
02-22-2023 2:13 AM
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02-21-2023 8:54 PM


Re: Answering For The Peanut Gallery
you were raised Catholic IIRC
No. Never had a meat cracker or a Hail Mary. I was raised as Heathen.

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Message 945 of 1086 (907378)
02-22-2023 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 943 by Dredge
02-22-2023 12:16 PM


Re: Answering For The Peanut Gallery
Have you seen on the breaking news where some god has shown up somewhere? Anywhere?
No. That was me. I'm not exclusive. I vanquish all gods.
When you wake up in the morning and hear on the news that no gods miraculously came into existence ... that was me.
God idea ... simple glancing human thought ... god gone.
It really is that simple. If you get off those jesus crackers, Dredge, even you could do it.

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Message 967 of 1086 (908670)
03-18-2023 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 965 by Dredge
03-18-2023 10:26 PM


The dogmas of the Catholic Church.
If you can believe in absurdities then you can commit atrocities. - Voltaire

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