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Author Topic:   The Bundys and the Armed Occupation of a National Wildlife Refuge
vimesey
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Message 51 of 254 (776780)
01-20-2016 5:48 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by foreveryoung
01-20-2016 3:51 AM


The idea that you could get the government of a democratic country to override a decision of its judicial system, by staging an armed insurrection (however limited), is a tad dangerous, don't you think ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
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Message 172 of 254 (790645)
09-02-2016 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Tanypteryx
09-02-2016 10:43 AM


Re: Judge rules on evidence - 5 days until trial starts
That won't please the wingnuts - his attorney arguing that "the feds are coming to get you" is a paranoid delusion :-)

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
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Message 197 of 254 (815415)
07-20-2017 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Faith
07-19-2017 11:53 PM


Re: Bundys victims of Constitution-violating government tyranny
I would recommend that you read this UN report on the state of affairs in North Korea: OHCHR | Report of the Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
The longer version of the report includes testimonies of some of the survivors of the North Korean regime. Examples of testimony include needles being driven underneath fingernails, forced starvation, and numerous brutal tortures.
If, having read that, you continue to describe the US government as tyrannical, then I am afraid you will be sorely embarrassing yourself.

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vimesey
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Message 199 of 254 (815423)
07-20-2017 4:39 AM
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07-20-2017 2:22 AM


Re: Bundys victims of Constitution-violating government tyranny
Hmmm, maybe :-/
There are some sketches of torture techniques in the longer document, drawn by a survivor. They're not pleasant, but they give something of an idea.

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vimesey
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Message 202 of 254 (815438)
07-20-2017 8:54 AM
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07-20-2017 7:49 AM


Re: Bundys victims of Constitution-violating government tyranny
The language we use is important. And when wildly exaggerated language is used to inflame anger, fear and outrage, at the expense of cool thought and analysis, then the outcome is almost inevitably worse.
The liberal left is not completely innocent in this area, but the new right has taken to exaggeration as a duck to water. The US government is not tyrannical (the dictionary definitions refer to cruel and oppressive - and whilst there can be a debate about the extent of any law being "oppressive", it is impossible to describe a liberal democracy as cruel with any degree of accuracy).
So I will call out exaggerations such as this. Let's talk, not shout.

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