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Author Topic:   The Bundys and the Armed Occupation of a National Wildlife Refuge
Chiroptera
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Message 207 of 254 (815501)
07-20-2017 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Faith
07-20-2017 9:48 AM


Re: Bundys victims of Constitution-violating government tyranny
I don't consider the term "tyranny" to be a problem in this context where government force is used against citizens exercising their freedom of assembly to protest government ownership of land they have no right to, depriving the citizens of its rightful use, making them pay more than they can afford for that rightful use, then confiscating their cattle and arresting some of them.
These people are "protesting" against officials appointed by the democratically elected President enforcing regulations and laws under the authority granted by law by the democratically elected Congress. When protesters exercise their right to assembly to protest, say Trump's Muslim ban, suddenly it's all about how people should respect the results of the election.

Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. — Stephen Marche

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Chiroptera
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Message 211 of 254 (815511)
07-20-2017 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Faith
07-20-2017 2:58 PM


Re: Bundys victims of Constitution-violating government tyranny
Do I really have to point out the difference from the Bundy situation?
Oh, I know the essential difference. The Bundies and their cohorts were in the wrong while the anti-ban protesters are in the right. When it comes to protests, civil disobedience, and even armed rebellion, you'd better make sure that your cause is just and that the means that your methods are appropriate to the injustice you are opposing.
It's kind of weird to me to begin with when some people claim that they believe that the laws should be followed and the authorities should be obeyed, but when the go on to laud the law-breakers on their side they come across as hypocrites.
If you agree that sometimes it's necessary to protest against an electoral majority or even to break the law to fight against injustice, then I agree with you. But then you better remember that there is no mechanism that prevents people you disagree with from also concluding that similar activities are appropriate against what they perceive as an injustice.

Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. — Stephen Marche

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Chiroptera
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Message 221 of 254 (815574)
07-21-2017 10:52 AM


It seems that some people don't quite understand how "joint ownership" works in real life.
Go out and buy some stock in a corporation. You are now an owner of that business.
Now go into the corporate headquarters and try to take some stuff.
Write a two page essay on your experiences and what you have learned.
(Sadly, it seems that some people will have ended up learning, "I need to bring a gun next time!")

Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. — Stephen Marche

  
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