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Author Topic:   The Bundys and the Armed Occupation of a National Wildlife Refuge
anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 64 of 254 (776832)
01-20-2016 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Tanypteryx
01-20-2016 9:21 PM


Re: This just keeps getting better
Tanypteryx writes:
The Feds have let this get completely out of hand. Oregon governor calls on Feds to act, says 'this spectacle of lawlessness must end'
Last time I looked, governors had the authority to call on the national guard in their state to quell insurrection. that's what happened in New Mexico during the Santa Fe Pen riot.
Have things changed so much this is no longer true? If the Feds refuse to act, then why should the state also refuse when they are within their rights? Political cowardice?
The State of Oregon has the power to seal off these fools from all electricity, supplies, and contact with the civilized world? Why do they refuse to act?
This situation reminds me of the narrative Shirer used in Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. The Wiemar Republic persecuted left-wing violence to the limit of the law and beyond while only lightly treating right-wing violence of the same nature, if at all.
Have some guts, damn federal and state cowards, and do your duty as per your oath of office.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 950 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 66 of 254 (776834)
01-20-2016 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Omnivorous
01-20-2016 4:22 PM


Re: How to crack these neanderthals in a nutshell...
Omnivorous writes:
Guns N' Roses suck, but The Clash and Tull were too good for Noriega. Still, it seemed to work, though the Holy See was not amused.
Considering we are likely dealing with Hank Williams and Buck Owens fans, I figure King Crimson and Ozric Tentacles might be appropriate, but while that 'too many notes thing' could work, that is likely too melodic. Skrillix and even worse dubstep is also a possibility, along with previously suggested rap and house music, and then of course we always have Thinking Plague.
But then the obvious suddenly hit:
Eat that 24/7 at 150 decibels, the rest of their catalog is even more obnoxiously creative and can be used as well.
Gotta love em' when appropriate.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 67 of 254 (776835)
01-21-2016 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by AZPaul3
01-20-2016 11:32 PM


Re: This just keeps getting better
AZPaul writes:
The state has no authority/standing to perform police actions on federal lands. The refuge is not a part of Oregon.
True but...
Are all the roads that enter this federal land also federal property? I see no Interstate or even national highway according to Google maps.
A firm stand by the state could force the federal hand. Sorry, I see political cowardice in the face of right-wing terrorism a major flaw at both the federal and state level.
Cop out, plain and simple. How long would this last if Black Lives Matter had taken over the refuge?
Edited by anglagard, : add original statement

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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