Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,912 Year: 4,169/9,624 Month: 1,040/974 Week: 367/286 Day: 10/13 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Evolution. We Have The Fossils. We Win.
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


(1)
Message 186 of 2887 (769749)
09-24-2015 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by caffeine
09-24-2015 1:44 PM


Re: Reptiles to Mammals
But I think you're missing the point. Faith said, and you quoted her and put it in bold, that "the bones all fit together the same way". Well, the bones do in fact fit together the same way --- just like the bones of humans and chimps fit together in the same way, though Faith probably wouldn't use that as an example.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 183 by caffeine, posted 09-24-2015 1:44 PM caffeine has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 188 by caffeine, posted 09-24-2015 2:27 PM Dr Adequate has not replied
 Message 199 by Faith, posted 09-24-2015 9:36 PM Dr Adequate has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


(2)
Message 187 of 2887 (769750)
09-24-2015 2:26 PM


For The E People
I thought maybe I could use some of that black space on my picture to quote these:
The fossil record is the primary factual evidence for evolution in times past, and evolution is well documented by further evidence from other scientific disciplines, including comparative anatomy, biogeography, genetics, molecular biology, and studies of viral and bacterial diseases." --- The Paleontological Society
"The fossil record of vertebrates unequivocally supports the hypothesis that vertebrates have evolved through time, from their first records in the early Paleozoic Era about 500 million years ago to the great diversity we see in the world today. The hypothesis has been strengthened by so many independent observations of fossil sequences that it has come to be regarded as a confirmed fact, as certain as the drift of continents through time or the lawful operation of gravity." --- Society of Vertebrate Paleontology
"The crowning achievement of paleontology has been the demonstration, from the history of life, of the validity of the evolutionary theory [...] The fossil record contains many well-documented examples of the transition from one species into another, as well as the origin of new physical features." --- American Geological Institute.
I'm thinking maybe just the second one, in small type at the bottom.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Replies to this message:
 Message 200 by Faith, posted 09-24-2015 9:58 PM Dr Adequate has replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 202 of 2887 (769789)
09-24-2015 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Faith
09-24-2015 9:58 PM


Re: For The E People
All of this is nothing but an exercise in imputing relatedness to a series of interestingly similar but different morphologies.
No. This has been explained to you. You're getting the chain of reasoning backwards. Stop it.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 200 by Faith, posted 09-24-2015 9:58 PM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 207 by Faith, posted 09-25-2015 3:17 AM Dr Adequate has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 203 of 2887 (769790)
09-24-2015 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Faith
09-24-2015 9:32 PM


You are not looking at genetics here. You are as usual just imagining how a series of changes COULD get you from a monkey to a man without the slightest evidence that these sort of changes have ever happened or are genetically possible.
The fact that they could happen is in fact evidence that they are possible.
To find out whether they have happened, we'd want to look at, guess what, the fossil record. Among other things.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 198 by Faith, posted 09-24-2015 9:32 PM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 206 by Faith, posted 09-25-2015 3:15 AM Dr Adequate has replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 236 of 2887 (769874)
09-26-2015 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Faith
09-25-2015 3:15 AM


Not necessarily. Imagination can come up with a lot of "coulds" that don't turn out to be possible in reality. And the many changes required for evolution to be true between different species defy any known genetic processes that I'm aware of ...
Ah, but what about the ones geneticists are aware of?
That's pretty funny if the fossil record is a lot of separate unrelated species. You'd just be imposing the theory on them, not getting evidence from them.
No. This has been explained to you.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 206 by Faith, posted 09-25-2015 3:15 AM Faith has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 253 of 2887 (769899)
09-26-2015 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Faith
09-26-2015 9:32 AM


Re: Moderator Requests
Yes it is not hard evidence as I've been saying. It is fossilized creatures embedded in sedimentary layers, that is all it is. It is the apparent sequence which is interpreted as ancient to modern living things that is imposed on it that turns it into evidence.
No.
This has been explained to you.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 243 by Faith, posted 09-26-2015 9:32 AM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 255 by Faith, posted 09-26-2015 12:58 PM Dr Adequate has replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 271 of 2887 (769963)
09-27-2015 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Faith
09-26-2015 12:58 PM


Re: Moderator Requests
I'm sorry but if there is anything to your complaint you will have to explain it again. I did say I often forget former arguments. Thank you.
The fossils are evidence before they are interpreted, because they can be compared to prediction. In order to misunderstand this point, you are turning the scientific method backwards and upside down.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 255 by Faith, posted 09-26-2015 12:58 PM Faith has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


(1)
Message 272 of 2887 (772424)
11-13-2015 9:46 PM


Probrachylophosaurus
Here:
A previously undiscovered dinosaur species, first uncovered and documented by an adjunct professor at Montana State University, showcases an evolutionary transition from an earlier duckbilled species to that group's descendants [...] Their findings highlight how the new species of duckbilled dinosaur neatly fills a gap that had existed between an ancestral form with no crest and a descendant with a larger crest, providing key insight into the evolution of elaborate display structures in these gigantic extinct herbivores.
Still no sign of a talking snake, though.

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


(1)
Message 291 of 2887 (774052)
12-12-2015 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Big_Al35
12-11-2015 2:12 PM


Do you have the fossils of giant human beings that have been found all over the earth?
No. Nor does anyone else. 'Cos they don't exist.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 273 by Big_Al35, posted 12-11-2015 2:12 PM Big_Al35 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 293 by Big_Al35, posted 12-13-2015 6:12 AM Dr Adequate has replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 307 of 2887 (774098)
12-13-2015 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 6:12 AM


If I said elongated skulls have been found would you say that those don't exist too?
No, there are actual instances of elongated skulls, like there are of intermediate forms and like there aren't of giants.
What I would do is ask why you mention them, and why you're getting your "information" about them from a woo-woo site.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 293 by Big_Al35, posted 12-13-2015 6:12 AM Big_Al35 has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 312 of 2887 (774108)
12-13-2015 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 10:39 AM


The globalists are the people who have all the money and the power (aka the elite). They decide if you get a prize or not, they decide if you get paid or not, they decide if your discovery is worthy or not. Don't you get this?
And yet lots of scientists have found new species of humans, and published their work, and won public acclaim, scientific kudos, and more grant money. So if this is the sort of thing the globalist elite is trying to stop, then the globalist elite is really crap at their job.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 308 by Big_Al35, posted 12-13-2015 10:39 AM Big_Al35 has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 313 of 2887 (774109)
12-13-2015 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 311 by Tangle
12-13-2015 10:56 AM


I hesitate to ask why a 'globalist' would do this ...
Why do aliens make crop circles? Why does Jesus appear on tortillas?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 311 by Tangle, posted 12-13-2015 10:56 AM Tangle has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 315 of 2887 (774111)
12-13-2015 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 314 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 11:48 AM


I think we're all in agreement that there are real deformed skulls. Museums are full of them.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 314 by Big_Al35, posted 12-13-2015 11:48 AM Big_Al35 has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 322 of 2887 (774132)
12-13-2015 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 1:15 PM


And if the globalists are doing such a terrible job why can't I get you guys to believe in giants?
'Cos there's no evidence for giants. You might as well ask --- if the globalists are doing such a terrible job why can't I get you guys to believe in flying pigs? It's got nothing to do with globalists, and everything to do with the truly dramatic paucity of volant suiformes.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 317 by Big_Al35, posted 12-13-2015 1:15 PM Big_Al35 has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 314 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 323 of 2887 (774135)
12-13-2015 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 1:15 PM


But I can see on these forums that you guys didn't take kindly to the giant fossils. You begrudgingly accepted the elongated skull but only on the basis that it is deformed.
Wait, you think the deformed skulls are evidence of giants? I wondered why you were talking about them.
But my dear Big Al, Julio Tello didn't just find the skulls. He found the entire mummies of the people in question. They were of normal stature. There are plenty of pictures of them on the Internet, y'know.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 317 by Big_Al35, posted 12-13-2015 1:15 PM Big_Al35 has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024