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Phat Member Posts: 18580 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
jar,to Dredge writes: Not too many people read the Bible in order to critique it. They are searching for GOD....that character whom we all seek in order to receive a promise of a better tomorrow Or maybe you are like most Bible Christians that have simply never honestly read the Bible?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18580 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Dredge writes: And we hope that when we meet GOD He will give us answers and blessings rather than a list of more questions and chores to do. But there are many mysteries which humans cannot answer without divine revelation.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18580 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
ringo writes: Many would argue that we are the Cathedral...Living Stones as it were. Which would lend support to jars assertion that Christianity is about what one does rather than what one believes.
To paraphrase, "If you seek God, look at His cathedral, not the brochure." Coragyps writes: Sorry...I forgot that we all dont seek it. Whom we ALL seek?Speak for yourself. I am examining Biblical Christian beliefs over at my new topic.
R.C.Sprouls Teaching On Reformed Theology Im going to focus my replies over there.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18580 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Catholics who accept evolution are not practising true Catholicism. Wait a minute...didnt the Holy See himself condone evolution? Or is he too an imitator?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18580 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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I tend to see myself as a Cosmological Creationist in that I believe that the universe logically has a Creator...but beyond that I dont emphasize this whole earth creationism thing...apart from perhaps the motives, workings, and intentions of the human soul. I feel that limiting my belief to what one book says is crippling my objectivity. Not that I don't respect the Bible. I believe that the GOD whom I believe in would not disapprove of my inquisitive nature.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18580 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18580 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Percy, to Faith writes: This would be my approach. The alternative is to claim that many if not most scientists are delusional. While it can be argued that many will believe the "lie" mentioned in We and you already know your reasons for believing in the flood are religious and Biblical. Why not just acknowledge that and give up on reconciling your views with science. It's a hopeless exercise for you because you know so little science, and because subordinating science to religion at every conflict guarantees failure at reconciliation.2 Thess 2:10-12 writes: Percy is correct in that this is a religious argument and attempting to reconcile "facts" to fit the puzzle is indeed an exercise in futility. I don't believe that everyone who disagrees with my belief is delusional.
They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18580 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Percy writes: This seems made up, too. Faith writes: Yes this is my own theory of course...that I've been arguing for the last decade or so. I don't know if it would ever be possible to persuade anyone here of it but it seems to me to hold together very well.....it's certainly consistent. Percy writes: Not even close. Not with itself or with reality or (and this is irrelevant to this thread's topic) with the first eight chapters of Genesis. Faith writes: If there are better ways to argue for it I hope I run across them. Percy writes: Oh, the better ways to argue for your viewpoint are not subtle or obscure or anything that has to be sought out. They are things not only obvious to first graders but that have been explicitly suggested to you many times by many people in this thread and in many others. To list just the ones that come to mind right now:
--Percy Perhaps you are not asking Faith the right questions. Keep in mind that her reasoning is based on supporting the belief that she knows to be true.We have compared it to this cartoon many times before: Perhaps you should ask her if she honestly believes that by being an enlightened believer that God gives her the wisdom to reason out how the flood must have happened? Then you might ask her why the other methods of reasoning employed by so many others, yourself included...are wrong and why they are wrong. She will be forced to acknowledge that her belief drives her contrary observations.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18580 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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EvC Forum has a belief motto: Understanding through Discussion
Long discussions such as this thread often shed light on the reasoning and/or belief of the participants. There is no winning or losing in these types of debates. Further understanding is hopefully the desired result. That's my summary and I'm sticking to it! Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith |
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