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Neither a theist nor an atheist

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Message 10 of 118 (732507)
07-07-2014 4:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 9 by granpa
07-07-2014 3:48 PM

Re: Atheists are not sociopaths
I do believe however that theists and atheists are both infected with all or nothing thinking and that the only way to rid oneself of this infection is to find the middle path
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The middle path?
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What's that? Believing in only some gods? Or believing in gods on even-numbered days and disbelieving on odd-numbered days?
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The whole idea sounds pretty silly.
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Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
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How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
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Message 21 of 118 (732522)
07-08-2014 12:14 AM 		Reply to: Message 20 by granpa
07-08-2014 12:08 AM

I'm confused...
As a follower of the middle path I consider myself to be neither a theist nor an atheist.
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But most everything you have posted since the opening of this thread suggests you are promoting religion, and most likely a particular brand of religion.
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So, which is it?
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Is this "middle path" you are espousing just another way of evangelizing?
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And, between absolutes, how is any "middle path" possible anyway?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
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How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
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It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
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If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Message 31 of 118 (732562)
07-08-2014 1:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 30 by granpa
07-08-2014 1:33 PM

It really is as they say: "you see what you want to see". And if you truly want to see what the facts say when they are allowed to speak for themselves then you will indeed see that too.
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This is kind of odd coming from a creationist.
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Creationists are very adept at seeing what they want to see in spite of the facts.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
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How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
​
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
​
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
​
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Message 46 of 118 (732610)
07-09-2014 12:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 45 by granpa
07-09-2014 12:20 AM

the possibility that other universes might have different laws from our own is a reasonable possibility. But they must follow some sort of laws of cause and effect and that means it isn't magic
Clarke's Third Law:
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
​
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
​
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
​
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
​
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
​
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Message 75 of 118 (733093)
07-14-2014 2:17 AM 		Reply to: Message 74 by Phat
07-14-2014 2:04 AM

Nonsense
The Just shall live by faith....not evidence.
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That is just nonsense made up by ancient shamans to keep the sheep in the flock, and well-sheared.
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If anyone ever tells you, "Trust me, don't bother with any evidence," place one hand on your wallet and exit the area as quickly as possible.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
​
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
​
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
​
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
​
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
​
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
​
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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