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Phat
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Message 35 of 118 (732597)
07-08-2014 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by ringo
07-08-2014 11:40 AM


Gnostic Theists Dont Exist?
ringo writes:
My point is that neither Faith nor marc9000 nor Phat actually knows what they profess to believe.
Would you go so far as to say that there are no gnostic theists? If they plausibly exist, how does their belief differ from mine?

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Message 74 of 118 (733092)
07-14-2014 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by ringo
07-12-2014 12:44 PM


The Just shall live by faith....not evidence.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 83 of 118 (733125)
07-14-2014 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by New Cat's Eye
07-14-2014 10:04 AM


Re: Faith is built on evidence
This begs the question of whether there is one answer and whether this answer is exclusive or inclusive.
Though some would argue that the Gospel message is exclusive, a case can be made that it is inclusive.
Open and available to all. The Bible seemingly talks of both extremes. Many are called yet few chosen.
However....whosoever believes in Him shall not perish....
Which leads to the question of how many were called and how many are chosen.
Perhaps initially, the Jews were called....then later everyone was called...and yet who is chosen? (Could it be that the one who chooses is thus chosen?)
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When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 98 of 118 (733269)
07-15-2014 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Stile
07-15-2014 10:58 AM


Re: Neither theist nor atheist knows best
Stile writes:
Do we all drive the same car? No. Because we're different.
Do we all like the same foods? No. Because we're different.
Do we all talk the same way? Walk the same way? Breathe the same way? No. Because we're different.
I might point out, though that we all breathe oxygen. We all need that same substance. Perhaps Faith is arguing that this is the same way spiritually. (also assuming that there is One Spirit that is, in fact the ether that humans need.)
Perhaps the point is that regardless of what people believe or feel that they want there is a common reality that is, in fact best for everyone.
Stile writes:
Even if God does exist. He still can't give "the most worth" to all people. He made people too different. He's made at least a few people require "no God" in order to achieve the same worth you get from your faith in God.
The differences are obvious to all of us.
They are easily shrugged off and excused away or ignored, though. ("Oh, he doesn't get it because he's just weird!") Such defense mechanisms run deep in those who are not confident in their own sense of worth.
I can also see your counter-argument, however.
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When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 99 of 118 (733270)
07-15-2014 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by ringo
07-15-2014 12:07 PM


Eight Is Enough
ringo writes:
I choose to distrust anybody who has already destroyed the world once. That's the most evil entity I know of.
That story allowed for 8 survivors. From those 8 we all sprung. You are just mad that God assumedly has the right to do whatever He wants.
It seems that your basic argument is that you were given the tools to know right from wrong---either by divine appointment or by evolutionary development and that you want to be responsible (and all of us as well) for the legacy that you leave in this life and that you don't want any bearded super Deity to order you around! (Even if He DID exist)
Am I right?

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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