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Author Topic:   ANOTHER Political Quiz
Tanypteryx
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Message 63 of 102 (726368)
05-08-2014 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by anglagard
05-07-2014 3:06 AM


Re: What do You Want?
For a start, I would like to point out that several states in the US west of the Mississippi have a referendum process whereby to some degree, at least in regard to state law, there is a form of direct democracy. It may not be as immediate as possible in the internet age (nor given temporary passions, should it be to some extent IMHO), however it is what it is, a form of direct democracy.
In Oregon we can vote on bills from initiative petitions if they get enough valid signatures and bills that are referred by the legislature. We also get laws that are passed by the legislature and signed into law by the governor. I am not sure what decides whether it goes to the people or just the legislature. The legislature seems to mostly make decisions about budget items.
In the past their we some bills passed by the people that clearly were unconstitutional and cost a bunch of wasted tax money to have repealed.
The bills are screened more closely now for obvious flaws but some still slip through. There are usually a few really stupid measures on the ballot and they usually get voted down, but not always. We have had more than our share of the discriminatory anti-gay measures, it seems to me.
We have had some that really turned out great and have stood the test of time. Our bottle bill and the public beach bill are 2 that I like. The Oregon coast is all public land. There are no private beaches.
Oregonians have have voted down sales taxes something like 9 times and also self-service gas pumping.
Occasionally we will have two opposing bills on the ballet and it creates a real mess when they both pass. At least when that happens we all get a good laugh.
It does seem to me that on some of the major issues (like health care, Social Security, the future of publicly funded science, etc.) that will affect the whole country, maybe for decades, that some form of referendum should be passed to the voters. I feel this should especially happen in cases where Congress is going against the will of the people by a large margin.
Maybe, as polarized as the whole country seems to be right now, we would end up being just as grid locked and angry if the people were voting directly as we are with the assholes in Congress.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 65 of 102 (726495)
05-09-2014 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by New Cat's Eye
05-09-2014 10:32 AM


Re: What do You Want?
We mostly look at it as we don't have to pump our own gas. It provides quite a few jobs. Our prices don't seem to be higher than neighboring states where you have to pump your own.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 69 of 102 (726518)
05-09-2014 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Omnivorous
05-09-2014 12:52 PM


Re: What do You Want?
As I remember, I have voted several times on this and every time I imagined my elderly mother having to pump her own gas in the winter in Bend, Oregon.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 71 of 102 (726531)
05-09-2014 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by xongsmith
05-09-2014 1:32 PM


Re: What do You Want?
Just wondering what a lengthly exposure to gas fumes means for the job worker over a lifetime - do they have the equivalent of Black Lung Insurance?
I don't know about that. The pump nozzles have a rubber gizmo the seals against the gas tank filler hole that helps limit the fumes.
It used to be that it was mostly high school kids working part time pumping gas, but the guys at my favorite gas station started working there in high school and are still there 30 years later.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 79 of 102 (726859)
05-13-2014 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ringo
05-13-2014 12:30 PM


Re: Mix and Match
(I think politicians should get welfare. It might give them some incentive.)
And they should have to live in barracks during their term.
I have often wondered whether it would work if our representatives were chosen by lottery, like jurors. A single term and you are free. The problem is that there might be a high rate of suicide. Just think of spending even 2 years doing nothing but sitting in meetings. I know it would drive me crazy, but my odds of being chosen from 200 million other people would be an low enough to risk it.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 82 of 102 (726863)
05-13-2014 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by ringo
05-13-2014 1:14 PM


Re: Mix and Match
I like the U.S. system where 1/3 of the Senate is elected every two years. Maybe the lottery could use a staggered system like that.
A staggered system would work, but we could also make learning how the government works part of high school education.
The issues would end up being much simpler, I think. No more complex multi-thousand page bills with exceptions and amendments, especially unrelated amendments.
I know these kinds of changes in how we organize and govern ourselves will never happen, anymore than RAZD's great ideas will, but I still find myself thinking, "What if?"

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 94 of 102 (727791)
05-20-2014 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by ringo
05-20-2014 1:13 PM


Re: Referendum DD at End of Term/s
So now you're anti-skiing? Have you no shame?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 95 of 102 (727792)
05-20-2014 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Larni
05-20-2014 3:29 PM


Re: Referendum DD at End of Term/s
...and you'll be right behind me in line for a referendum to make Pi = 3.00000
I've always wonder why creos are not interested in teaching this 'controversy'?
They would think the controversy is about whether cherry or apple is best.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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