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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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anglagard writes:
....and don't forget: "People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless." I suppose in your universe Germany and Sweden make crap cars, France makes terrible cuisine, the UK has outrageous college tuition and Switzerland can't tell time. And Canada has a lower standard of living.http://www.librarygrape.com/...-not-killed-by-uk-health.html kofh2u has never been one to let facts get in the way of his opinions."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
The fact that there are threads where you continuously and repeatedly post discredited and unsupported claims hasn't got in the way of your discredited and unsupported opinions, has it. Panda writes: Give us the number of one thread where you liberal minded self assured Politically Correct progressives here have allowed me to get away with an opinion unsupported by facts in the same post. kofh2u has never been one to let facts get in the way of his opinions.There are also threads explaining why your claims are discredited and unsupported, but that hasn't got in the way of your discredited and unsupported opinions either. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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crashfrog writes:
You have been caught making shit up. If you didn't tell me who you were talking about, then why would you expect me to accept it as evidence?Acknowledge it and move on. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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crashfrog writes:
Can you identify the people Oni referred to? No. I'm sorry but that's not true.Could you assign mortality rates to the people Oni referred to? Not without knowing who they are. Did you assign mortality rates to the people Oni referred to? Yes. Did you assign mortality rates without knowing who you were talking about? Yes. Could that be accurately described as "making shit up"? Yes. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
Then you will have no trouble specifying the actual mortality rate of the people Oni was referring to. Assuming he's talking about real people, that is, pre-industrial cultures that actually exist - and, you know, he said or at least implied that he was not making this up, though that's been shown to be a lie - then yes, I can assign mortality rates to those people by assigning mortality rates to every pre-industrial culture that is known.No? Nothing? No data relating to those people specifically? Nada? Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
That is not the actual mortality rate of the people Oni was referring to. I already have, since I've specified the mortality rates for the comprehensive set of everyone he could have been referring to, unless he was making it up. If you want him to be more specific then you have to ask him to be more specific, Panda. I can't be any more specific than Oni has.That is an average of many different groups. What is the actual mortality rate of the people Oni was referring to?
crashfrog writes:
Those are average values. It's all in Table 2 in the link I posted. I can't copy and paste the table because it's a PDF.What is the actual mortality rate of the people Oni was referring to? Your reluctance to provide an answer strongly suggests that you don't know the answer."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
Excellent. Table 2 has the life expectancy broken down to individual peoples. Again, that table is comprehensive so provided that Oni was not making up a people (made-up people won't appear on the list) I've already provided the expectancy at birth and at age 45 for every group of people he could possibly have been talking about.What is the exact value? (We try to avoid 'arguing by link' here.) "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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crashfrog writes:
You've forgotten the question already?! What is the exact value of what?Look back up the thread if you are having trouble remembering what you are talking about. Or just make some shit up again. I had come to the conclusion that your were either lying or insane and I assumed you were lying.
Crashfrog writes:
I had assumed incorrectly. u say that, in fact a lot of you say that, but I have objective evidence that you're all wrong. Did somebody hack EvC Forum because of something you said, ever? Do you have almost 20,000 posts in 9 years? Those aren't from me talking to myself, Oni. That's because when I argue with people, they can't seem to help but argue against me half-a-dozen strong. It's just objectively the case that people want to argue with me. I'm sure you'll tell me it's something I'm doing, and I don't deny that it is - there's something about me, and I jokingly use synedoche to ascribe it to the frog avatars I'm always using, that causes you people to lose your shit."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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crashfrog writes:
You being bat-shit crazy explains that reply better than you being a liar. Why? Did I describe events that, in fact, did not occur? Which events are you asserting did not happen?I should have noticed it earlier. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
"Affected with madness; insane." But again, crazy in what sense?Y'know - crazy. Bat-shit crazy. Crazy like a crazy person saying crazy things; asking crazy questions.Questions like: "Crazy in what sense?" or "What events that I described did not occur?" Crazy like loss of reality crazy."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
Hmmm....you seem to think I am still calling you a liar. I am not. what did I say happened that did not, in reality, happen? Be specific.I am calling you crazy. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
crazyfrog writes:
Apropos of...you being an English speaking kofh2u. You're just calling me crazy apropos of... what, exactly? You're making an assertion. I'm asking you what the basis for it is. There's no need to be evasive, I'm just asking you to support your contentions. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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