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Message 134 of 316 (685727)
12-25-2012 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by anglagard
12-25-2012 4:28 PM


Re: Hubris
anglagard writes:
I suppose in your universe Germany and Sweden make crap cars, France makes terrible cuisine, the UK has outrageous college tuition and Switzerland can't tell time.
And Canada has a lower standard of living.
....and don't forget: "People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless."
http://www.librarygrape.com/...-not-killed-by-uk-health.html
kofh2u has never been one to let facts get in the way of his opinions.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 167 of 316 (685913)
12-27-2012 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by kofh2u
12-26-2012 12:55 PM


Re: Hubris
kofh2u writes:
Panda writes:
kofh2u has never been one to let facts get in the way of his opinions.
Give us the number of one thread where you liberal minded self assured Politically Correct progressives here have allowed me to get away with an opinion unsupported by facts in the same post.
The fact that there are threads where you continuously and repeatedly post discredited and unsupported claims hasn't got in the way of your discredited and unsupported opinions, has it.
There are also threads explaining why your claims are discredited and unsupported, but that hasn't got in the way of your discredited and unsupported opinions either.
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"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 172 of 316 (685940)
12-28-2012 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 7:46 AM


Re: Body Composition
crashfrog writes:
If you didn't tell me who you were talking about, then why would you expect me to accept it as evidence?
You have been caught making shit up.
Acknowledge it and move on.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 174 of 316 (685945)
12-28-2012 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 9:27 AM


Re: Body Composition
crashfrog writes:
I'm sorry but that's not true.
Can you identify the people Oni referred to? No.
Could you assign mortality rates to the people Oni referred to? Not without knowing who they are.
Did you assign mortality rates to the people Oni referred to? Yes.
Did you assign mortality rates without knowing who you were talking about? Yes.
Could that be accurately described as "making shit up"? Yes.
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"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 176 of 316 (685948)
12-28-2012 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 9:45 AM


Re: Body Composition
crashfrog writes:
Assuming he's talking about real people, that is, pre-industrial cultures that actually exist - and, you know, he said or at least implied that he was not making this up, though that's been shown to be a lie - then yes, I can assign mortality rates to those people by assigning mortality rates to every pre-industrial culture that is known.
Then you will have no trouble specifying the actual mortality rate of the people Oni was referring to.
No? Nothing? No data relating to those people specifically? Nada?
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Panda
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Message 186 of 316 (685996)
12-28-2012 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 10:09 AM


Re: Body Composition
crashfrog writes:
I already have, since I've specified the mortality rates for the comprehensive set of everyone he could have been referring to, unless he was making it up. If you want him to be more specific then you have to ask him to be more specific, Panda. I can't be any more specific than Oni has.
That is not the actual mortality rate of the people Oni was referring to.
That is an average of many different groups.
What is the actual mortality rate of the people Oni was referring to?
crashfrog writes:
It's all in Table 2 in the link I posted. I can't copy and paste the table because it's a PDF.
Those are average values.
What is the actual mortality rate of the people Oni was referring to?
Your reluctance to provide an answer strongly suggests that you don't know the answer.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 188 of 316 (686008)
12-28-2012 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 2:06 PM


Re: Body Composition
crashfrog writes:
Table 2 has the life expectancy broken down to individual peoples. Again, that table is comprehensive so provided that Oni was not making up a people (made-up people won't appear on the list) I've already provided the expectancy at birth and at age 45 for every group of people he could possibly have been talking about.
Excellent.
What is the exact value?
(We try to avoid 'arguing by link' here.)

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 196 of 316 (686089)
12-28-2012 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 3:10 PM


Re: Body Composition
crashfrog writes:
What is the exact value of what?
You've forgotten the question already?!
Look back up the thread if you are having trouble remembering what you are talking about.
Or just make some shit up again.
I had come to the conclusion that your were either lying or insane and I assumed you were lying.
Crashfrog writes:
u say that, in fact a lot of you say that, but I have objective evidence that you're all wrong. Did somebody hack EvC Forum because of something you said, ever? Do you have almost 20,000 posts in 9 years? Those aren't from me talking to myself, Oni. That's because when I argue with people, they can't seem to help but argue against me half-a-dozen strong. It's just objectively the case that people want to argue with me. I'm sure you'll tell me it's something I'm doing, and I don't deny that it is - there's something about me, and I jokingly use synedoche to ascribe it to the frog avatars I'm always using, that causes you people to lose your shit.
I had assumed incorrectly.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 203 of 316 (686155)
12-29-2012 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by crashfrog
12-29-2012 1:09 PM


Re: Body Composition
crashfrog writes:
Why? Did I describe events that, in fact, did not occur? Which events are you asserting did not happen?
You being bat-shit crazy explains that reply better than you being a liar.
I should have noticed it earlier.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 207 of 316 (686181)
12-29-2012 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by crashfrog
12-29-2012 2:42 PM


Re: Body Composition
crashfrog writes:
But again, crazy in what sense?
"Affected with madness; insane."
Y'know - crazy. Bat-shit crazy.
Crazy like a crazy person saying crazy things; asking crazy questions.
Questions like: "Crazy in what sense?" or "What events that I described did not occur?"
Crazy like loss of reality crazy.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 211 of 316 (686212)
12-29-2012 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by crashfrog
12-29-2012 8:08 PM


Re: Body Composition
crashfrog writes:
what did I say happened that did not, in reality, happen? Be specific.
Hmmm....you seem to think I am still calling you a liar. I am not.
I am calling you crazy.
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"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 213 of 316 (686224)
12-30-2012 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by crashfrog
12-29-2012 8:59 PM


Re: Body Composition
crazyfrog writes:
You're just calling me crazy apropos of... what, exactly? You're making an assertion. I'm asking you what the basis for it is. There's no need to be evasive, I'm just asking you to support your contentions.
Apropos of...you being an English speaking kofh2u.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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