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Author Topic:   Who hurts the US Healthcare system worse?
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Message 236 of 316 (716452)
01-16-2014 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by WarriorArchangel
03-04-2013 9:33 AM


Re: Blood Suckers = companies that reap profits from poverty wage employees
Illegal aliens......
Blacks and browns on the dole....
Entitlements....all minorities......
Presumably you have some actual statistics to back this up rather than just parroting Faux Noise talking points.
Corporate welfare is the biggest strain on the budget, especially when these companies don't pay any taxes.
Why are most low wage people on SNAP and other assistance programs even when they work 2 jobs and more than 40 hours a week?
Wallmart and McDonalds for example ... most of them working parents ... while management claims record salaries.
If you don't know what is going on, then you are part of the problem.
You can choose to be ignorant, but it is an easily curable condition.
Enjoy.

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Message 244 of 316 (716736)
01-20-2014 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Stile
01-20-2014 3:14 PM


Re: How to Debate on a Forum
But the fact remains that it's possible for doctors to leave the US and be a doctor in another country.
The part about it being "easy" would be weighed against the level of personal difficulty the doctor would be having in the US with the new laws... which is the part I was asking about.
To this and the comment about "brain drain" (which involves other professions as well as medicine) I ask:
Would you rather be treated by a doctor that wants to doctor or one that wants to make money?
Take excess profits out of the picture and you end up with doctors that want to doctor.
Curiously I think that would be an improvement.

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Message 250 of 316 (716785)
01-21-2014 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Stile
01-21-2014 8:19 AM


many rewards
Yes, but it seems to be a popular human condition to seek rewards.
Rewards aren't necessarily monetary. Doctors without Borders.
I think in Europe there are some systems where the rewards are based on improving the health of patients?
For example: Someone comes in addicted to smoking and the doctor helps them quit... then the doctor gets a bit of a bonus?
Not sure, I don't know much about European healthcare... but I think I heard something like that.
That sounds like a pretty decent system.
Preventative medicine is way cheaper than treating ailments.
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Message 251 of 316 (716786)
01-21-2014 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by New Cat's Eye
01-21-2014 10:45 AM


Good is related to ability,
That don't necessarily make them good doctors.
Charging a lot doesn't make them better either.
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Message 268 of 316 (716966)
01-22-2014 7:59 PM
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01-21-2014 12:56 PM


Re: Good is related to ability,
And you also risk losing great doctors, which would not be an improvement...
Where to? If all other developed countries have socialized single payer medical systems who is going to pay more?
Any idea how doctor salaries compare from country to country?

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Message 280 of 316 (717162)
01-24-2014 5:26 PM
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01-24-2014 2:18 PM


Re: Good is related to ability,
Nope.

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Message 281 of 316 (717163)
01-24-2014 5:29 PM
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01-24-2014 12:05 PM


Re: Good is related to ability,
Another profession, retirement, a new black market.
Then maybe I don't want that doctor.

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Message 288 of 316 (717417)
01-27-2014 10:16 AM
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01-27-2014 10:11 AM


Re: Good is related to ability,
Its no biggie. So what do you think? Would lowering the pay that doctors receive be an improvement?
Alone? I doubt it.
The major cost of US health care is due to excess profit grabbing by insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and for-profit hospital corporations.
Health related industries should be non-profit organizations.
When the motive for service is profit people suffer.

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Message 292 of 316 (717451)
01-27-2014 5:00 PM
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01-27-2014 11:29 AM


Re: Good is related to ability,
Just drop the medicare eligibility age a year every year, and in 60 years we would have single payer medical system. Everyone would have time to adjust.

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Message 308 of 316 (717813)
02-01-2014 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by AZPaul3
02-01-2014 7:24 AM


Re: ACA success -- now medicare transition
Increasing medicare to all ages would guarantee 100% coverage.
And we can get on that train in a couple more generations or so. ...
No, we need to demand that the age eligibility drop 1 year every year. We can sell it to the cons as a means to ensure the success of medicare will eventually relieve the problems of the ACA ...

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Message 311 of 316 (717846)
02-02-2014 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 310 by ramoss
02-01-2014 11:08 PM


Re: ACA success -- now medicare transition
and that is the way to break the republican strangle in the house.
one state at a time.
and just as the republican governors are finding that the ACA has benefits and are signing on, so too they will find that state expanding medicare cuts costs further and provides better coverage.

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Message 314 of 316 (718413)
02-06-2014 3:16 PM


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If I had to pick one thing that most hurts the US healthcare system it would have to be the Republican party.
If they were truly interested in fiscal responsibility and lowering costs then they should be behind universal single payer care via expanded medicare.
Coming in a close second are the health care corporations that are intent on making obscene profits from the misery of others.

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