Who hurts the US Healthcare system worse?

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I am Canadian, so I know jack-all about this.I do have some family in the states.
They are an average family, of average means.From what I've heard, new healthcare laws have raised their costs, and lowered their coverage.
I've heard that it's a horrible flop, causing nothing but issues and it's ruining everyone's shit. (Well, not rich people...)It's been out for a while now, hasn't it? Is it time to discuss whether or not it's been good or bad?
Or is there still a call to "let more time pass" to see what happens?I thought it was a good idea, and a good first step in the right direction.
Now I just sort of think it was the same old tired political story to push ahead some other agenda and screw all the people who get affected.Does anyone have any positive anecdotes about it?Any comments on these sorts of allegations? Obama deal to bail out insurance companies if new heath care doesn't make them money80% of doctors may quit because of ObamacareIs there any good news about it at all?Is it a complete catastrophe?I heard the plan was somewhat based on being supported by the younger generation signing up.
But... that younger generation has said "fuck you" because it's a horrible plan that costs way too much money.
So, without the younger generation bearing their load of the costs... the whole thing is in jeopardy anyway?Edited by Stile, : Forgot to add the last paragraph. Doctor said it's nothing and I don't need to worry about it, some brains are just more forgetful than others.

For sure.
I didn't think the number was actually that high, but I've also heard rumours from the Canada-side about the "reversal of the brain-drain."Brain-drain is a Canadian term that acknowledges the bulk of our doctors go to school in Canada, then head to the US for the higher paying jobs. Apparently, the popularity of this move has been decreasing lately.

Well, no... the argument is that they would doctor elsewhere. The united states isn't the only country with medical facilities. Yeah, just wanted to hear the other side. What conclusions do you think I jumped to? If you read my post, it was asking questions... not making statements.What better way to "vet sources" then to ask those who defend the concept for the opposing view?

I see.
I knew the act went though "many revisions" as it made it's way through congress, and I got the impression it had been watered-down somewhat.Here's hoping that the direction continues for the first step, then, and not just get overturned in the next few years.

I agree that it's not a good argument.But the fact remains that it's possible for doctors to leave the US and be a doctor in another country.
The part about it being "easy" would be weighed against the level of personal difficulty the doctor would be having in the US with the new laws... which is the part I was asking about. Thanks to your new information, I'm able to understand that this is not a good argument. I accept your viewpoint. But, really, I think it's your reading comprehension.
I don't think I actually came across as jumping to conclusions, I think I came across more as hearing a bunch of things and looking for more information. If you seriously think otherwise, you may want to consider your own bias.It is very difficult to judge one's own writing so I could easily be wrong. But for the life of me I can't see the position you're claiming I took. Um... you even quoted it:

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Is there any good news about it at all?

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Is it a complete catastrophe?

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I heard the plan was somewhat based on being supported by the younger generation signing up.
But... that younger generation has said "fuck you" because it's a horrible plan that costs way too much money.
So, without the younger generation bearing their load of the costs... the whole thing is in jeopardy anyway?

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The "complete catastrophe" part is a question. You can tell because of the question mark after the sentence.
All the questions at the beginning and end of this show that I'm looking for more information, not jumping to any conclusions.I fully admit that I only heard one side of the story when I posted.
It shouldn't surprise you that my questions are based off the information I had... from the one side.It may not be entirely your fault, text can be difficult to ascertain mood from.
Perhaps you should try reading things while asking yourself "is it possible for this to be taken another way?"
If you do that, you can avoid getting stuck in your first impression of things and approach the matter a little more open minded.

Point well taken. Yes, but it seems to be a popular human condition to seek rewards.In the US, the doctors are basically rewarded (get the most money) by caring for the rich who can afford to pay a lot of money? I think that's the easiest to be corrupted.In Canada, the doctors are basically rewarded with "patients seen." Which is a bit better, but is still corrupted quite a bit.
For a small example: Some doctors will call you into their office, where you have to take a day off work and still wait close to an hour after the appointment time that they made... for them to tell you that they received your test results and everything looks pretty good so they're not going to prescribe anything at this time and we'll see if anything else develops in the future.
Something they could easily tell you over the phone in about 8 seconds.
But, when you go in... they get to sign you off on some sheet as "a patient seen that day." And then they get paid a bit more...I think in Europe there are some systems where the rewards are based on improving the health of patients?
For example: Someone comes in addicted to smoking and the doctor helps them quit... then the doctor gets a bit of a bonus?
Not sure, I don't know much about European healthcare... but I think I heard something like that.
That sounds like a pretty decent system.