Romney the Bully

Let's not also forget that he is denying ever remembering any of that.I'm pretty sure an event like that is pretty unforgetable for either party.

I am. I don't actually care that much that he was a bully back in HS. When I was a cop, half the guys in my department admitted at some point that they were school bullies. We actually laughed about it a few times considering the "stereotype" was that bullies become cops.Anyway, Romney is making the wrong move by trying to deny it. He's not doing himself a favor at all. Just man up and admit it. We all made mistakes when we were kids. What's important is we man up to it.Have I ever told you guys I was a bully specifically targeting gay kids back when?

How old are you? I'm pretty sure you're not the same person you were 50 years ago.Edit.Just read your last post. I see your point... I'll think about it.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Ah, but the issue is deeper than that.Romney led a group of teens to make an attack on another teen they thought was gay. Every single person involved remembers the incident right down to the detail... every single person except Mitt Romney. He continues to deny remembering anything about it or if it even happened.That's what I'm judging him on. I don't care if he raped and murdered a 12 year old girl back then. What I care about is whether he has the balls to admit it nowadays.For example, I fully admit that I was a bully back in my young age. While I was still a cop, about half the guys I worked with admitted to being a bully back in school.Romney, on the other hand, refuses to admit anything. It says a lot about his character.

Is this for real? Do you honestly think such an incident is forgetable? If it is, then Romney is even scarier than I thought. This makes him a sociopath.Everyone else in his group of bullies remembers in detail about the incident. Their stories all match with each other. They regretted the event and so they remembered it.Romney, on the other hand, thought nothing of it and that's why he can't remember it.So, you're practically saying Romney never had any sense of remorse and so that's why he can't remember such a major event.Good job in demonizing Romney more than I ever did. You don't think trying to dodge responsibility for something you caused is a character flaw?So, if he doesn't remember it then Romney has memory problems and therefore he is not fit to serve as president of the US.

You have 20/20 hindsight and that's why you don't think anything of it.Imagine yourself walking down the hall way when half a dozen boys jump you, hold you down, and then one boy holds up a pair of scissors and is right on top of you.How about this. Imagine someone kidnaps you and prepares you to be gang raped in the ass. All they do is prepare and make sure that you know they're preparing. At the end of the day, you find out that they never really intended to rape you. But think of the time you were worrying over it.But again, I don't care what Romney did. Everyone involved remembers the event in detail. They all independently told their stories and all the stories agree with each other. Romney, on the other hand, can't remember anything. There are several possibilities here.(1) Romney never had a second thought about the event and so never had any remorse. That's why he can't remember.(2) Romney is trying to dodge responsibility. Then his character is in question.(3) Romney honest to god can't remember. Therefore, there is something wrong with his head and he is not fit to be president.

But that's not all of it. As far as the young man was concerned, half a dozen boys jumped him, held him down, and another boy stood over him with a pair of scissors.That's a horrifying experience, especially for someone who was gay during a time when it was still politically correct to hate fags.By the way, that's still assault with scissors even if it's just cutting down hair. You keep forgetting that while his hair was being cut, he was also held down by half a dozen boys.If it had happened to me, yeah I would have called it assault with a weapon.

Ok, then if Romney doesn't remember, then he is a sociopath who never gave what he did a second thought.

Well, depends on what that something is.This conversation reminds me of what happened with the Jamie Leigh Jones case. She was gang raped by 7 of her co-workers while working overseas. But her contract prevented the rapists from being prosecuted. The contract required private arbitration.Anyway, Jon Stewart pointed out something pretty interesting on one of his shows. Republicans referred to the gang rape as "disputes".Jon Stewart Takes On 30 Republicans Who Voted Against Franken Rape Amendment (VIDEO) | HuffPost EntertainmentWatch the video at the bottom. It's pretty funny. Pay particular attention from 2:45.The point is leading a gang of boys to assault a boy during your senior year in high school is not just "something from forty years ago".Just like gang rape is not just another "personal dispute" as described by republicans in the senate.Added by edit.The point I'm trying to make is you're using a tactic most often used by people who lack empathy. The tactic is pretty simple, actually. Don't specifically refer to things you're talking about. Instead, use a general term. So, if it's rape you're talking about, say it was a personal dispute. If it was a drunk driver plowing into a car killing a family of 5, call it a traffic accident. If it was a gang assault, call it a prank or "something". Heck, I'll do you a favor by violating godwin's law here by pointing out that top nazi officials called systematically exterminating millions of jews "statistics".Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

No offense, but I take offense at describing what happened as an "incident" just like I would take offense at describing genocide as statistics or gang rape as "personal disputes".

I know. It just bothered me to see you going along with his attempts to minimizing what happened for so long.I must admit, though, that he did a very good job at leading people astray by equating aggravated gang assault with any other action 40 years ago like taking a walk in the park or eyeing a girl.Sir, do you remember downloading child pornography on such and such date?No, I don't.But I have 5 people who swore up and down that they saw you downloading child pornography on such and such date.Well, sir, I do a lot of things since I'm a busy man. Since downloading child porn, a very illegal and immoral act, is just like taking a walk in the park or saying hello to a stranger, I can't be bothered to remember it.

(1) There were 6 boys involved, including Romney. The other 5 boys remembered the event right down to the detail, and all their detailed accounts agreed with each other independently.(2) This should have stuck out in his memory because leading a gang of boys to assault another boy during senior year of high school is not an ordinary everyday thing that normal people do.(3) I can accept that Romney indeed do not remember the event because to him it was too ordinary to remember. How many assaults did Romney lead?

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I chose my words with the intent to avoid conflating with the other conversation on this thread. If you are unable to continue this discussion without attacking my character, then you have nothing of worth left to offer. Your assesment of my word choice is disingenuous and frankly childish.

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With all due respect, grow up.

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With all due respect, I've been taking great offense to your efforts at minimizing aggravated gang assault with your choices of words.Back when I was a cop, there was a scene I showed up to to assist. I ended up not getting involved because there were plenty of other officers too eager to get involve. From my observation, it went like this. It was a guy who had ran into a tree. He was so drunk he didn't know what was going on. He was refusing to get out of the car. A young body builder type officer lost patience, went up to the car, yanked him out of the car, and threw him down to the concrete. The guy ended up with a broken nose, a broken jaw, a broken collar bone, and a concussion.When I finally got my hands on the official police report, I was totally surprised. It said the guy was "escorted" out of his car, "placed" on the ground, and "arrested". On his way down, he broke his own nose, jaw, collar bone, and gave himself a concussion.Technically speaking, every word of it was true. I thought long and hard about it.The point is you, sir, or mam, is what's wrong with our society. To you, gang rape is just a "personal dispute", plowing through a car and killed a family of 5 because you're too drunk to know any better is just a "traffic accident", and leading a gang of boys to assault a suspected homosexual is just "something".I've dealt with your type before I was a cop, while I was a cop, and after I quit that career.You ask me to grow up. I ask you to do the same thing. Besides adults who have no conscience, I can think of plenty of kids who regularly minimize what they or others did to attempt to downplay the seriousness of the situation. Real responsible adults refer to things specifically for what they are, not use an overly generalized term to downplay a serious event.I've been refraining from saying these things because you guys just seemed too involved with this discussion. But now that you think you've called me out on something, then I'm calling you out on this.The reality of the situation is this. Leading a gang of boys to assault a suspected homosexual is not an everyday thing. And to normal people, it should have stuck out. It's not just "something". If anything, this whole Romney "can't remember" thing reminds me of what often happens when rape victims confront their rapists in court. Most of the time, the rape victims expect the rapists to remember them. To the rape victims' surprise, the rapists often times have no idea who the hell the rape victims were. Rapists are sociopaths. They don't consider the rape (or someone like you would like to call it a "personal dispute") that big of a deal. That's why often times they forget the victim. Some of them even can't remember specifically when, where, how, etc. We would call these people sociopaths.So, we're down to 2 possibilities here.Either Romney is lying about not remembering as a political dodge or he truly can't remember which would make me question his sense of right and wrong.

Can I ask what you guys are rambling about? I've been reading both of your posts a couple times and I still can't understand what the hell you guys are arguing about. Care to speak in plain non-sarcastic honest to god English?

There's always a first time for everything.

And you seem to be incapable of understanding my point, that leading a gang of boys to assault another boy is not just "something".Anyway, you are absolutely right. Since leading a gang of boys to assault another boy was just an everyday routine, surely no one is expected to remember it.I'm done. Again, you are absolutely right. My mistake for expecting the next president of the US to have a conscience.