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Author Topic:   Bush's Shia Islamic War Vs Obama's Sunni War
Modulous
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Message 106 of 111 (600922)
01-17-2011 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Buzsaw
01-12-2011 12:04 AM


Re: Children & Religion
I believe that is true if one is not already a Muslim by birth in a Muslim family.
Nope. According to the Hadith, every child is born Muslim ( or rather, in a state of "Fitrah") but can be corrupted by Christians or Jews etc.
quote:
Allah's Apostle said, "No child is born except on Al-fitra and then his parents make him Jewish, Christian or Magian"
In order to be an apostate one must be shown to have understood and professed the shahada and then renounced it.
quote:
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Note how Mohammed didn't just say Muslim, but specifically a Muslim that has confessed the Shahadah (further Islamic writings have clarified that this must occur after puberty and that the person must be of sound mind and understand the Shahadah). That is to say, those that have been swayed away from fitrah by such people as their parents (such as is the case with Obama) cannot be considered apostates.
To the vast majority of Muslims, Obama is no different than any other non-Muslim: a former Muslim that should revert to Islam.
Both quotes taken from Sahih al-Bukhari and are easily located online if you doubt.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 107 of 111 (600982)
01-18-2011 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Buzsaw
01-17-2011 12:05 PM


Re: Obama's Drive
You aren't aware of how Obama snubbed Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu with the cold shoulder ...
Google tells me nothing about either the temperature of the President's shoulder or the fantasy world in your head.
On the other hand, a little research on your part would show that Obama has emphatically reaffirmed America's commitment to the support of Israel; that he has matched deed to word by giving billions in military aid to Israel; and that he seems to be on perfectly chummy terms with Netanyahu.
Though perhaps not quite on such cosy terms as Bush was with the Saudis ...

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DrJones*
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Message 108 of 111 (600984)
01-18-2011 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Dr Adequate
01-18-2011 1:30 AM


Re: Obama's Drive
Though perhaps not quite on such cosy terms as Bush was withThough perhaps not quite on such cosy terms as Bush was with the Saudis ...
That photo is undeniable proof that not only was Bush in league with the terrorist Saudis he was also in a gay relationship with them. Bush is a secret muslim terrorist pole smoker!!!!oneoneoneuno!.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Dr Adequate
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Message 109 of 111 (600986)
01-18-2011 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by DrJones*
01-18-2011 1:45 AM


Re: Obama's Drive
That photo is undeniable proof that not only was Bush in league with the terrorist Saudis he was also in a gay relationship with them. Bush is a secret muslim terrorist pole smoker!!!!oneoneoneuno!.
I think you're forgetting that Bush is white and has an Anglo-Saxon surname.

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DrJones*
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Message 110 of 111 (600987)
01-18-2011 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Dr Adequate
01-18-2011 1:56 AM


Re: Obama's Drive
oh right, my bad.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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fatburners 
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Message 111 of 111 (602870)
02-01-2011 12:22 PM


Its a war for oil
I think is war for oil...

  
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