Bush's Shia Islamic War Vs Obama's Sunni War

Evidence, Buz?When, precisely, did Obama Sr renounce Islam?Not that it's particularly important. A person is what a person chooses to be. If Obama is a "Stealth Muslim" or a Christian or any other philosophical/spiritual persuasion, it is because he chooses to be so, not because his daddy was.Your legalistic argument that "born a Muslim, always a Muslim" is logically disconnected from your assertions as to Obama's intent as some sort of "Muslim spy."I've got to say, though...if Obama is a "stealth Muslim" intending to destroy America, he could do a much better job. I mean, really? The best the supposed America-destroyer can come up with is a little political doublespeak, a few rousing speeches, and failing to hold a bunch of campaign promises?Hell, by that standard, what politician isn't a super-secret double-agent bent on destroying America?

Wrong again. So now they're "implicating Islam", nice attempt to move the goalposts. The name of this "Muslim" school?Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix quote box.

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I take it your question is rhetorical, but I'll answer anyway, they all would be and maybe are.

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How does a name implicate Islam. Does Adolph implicate Fascism?
Would Vladimir implicate Communism? Would David implicate Judaism? Would Peter implicate Christianity?I think not. The only Adolph I ever met was Jewish. All the Davids, that I know are either Christian or Atheist. the same with Peter & Vladimir.

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No. When Barak was born, his father was a Muslim.

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Unless you dishonestly mean Barack Obama senior this assertion is directly contradicted by the Wikipedia article that YOU gave as a source. According to that Barack Obama senior abandoned Islam before even meeting Barack Obama junior's mother.

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That's when he named him names implicating Islam.

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Barack Hussein Obama senior gave HIS name to his son Barack Hussein Obama junior. You might have had a point if it were some other name, but it isn't.

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Later he enrolled Barak in two Indonesian schools as a Muslim, first a Catholic school and then a Muslim school.

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That claim requires evidence. I suspect that if we investigate it we'll find another Buzsaw fabrication. The EVIDENCE that we have is that Barack Obama senior was an atheist at the time, regarding Islam as a superstition and had little to do with his son's upbringing, which was in the control of his maternal family - and even you haven't suggested that THEY were Muslims.

Found via the wikipedia article - Obama Debunks Claim About Islamic School

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A spokesman for Indonesia's Ministry of Religious Affairs said claims that Obama studied at an Islamic school are groundless.

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"SDN Menteng 1 is a public primary school that is open to people of all faiths," said the spokesman, Sutopo, who goes by only one name. "Moreover, he studied earlier at Fransiskus Assisi, which is clearly a Catholic school."

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The public school was predominantly attended by Muslims, but that would be like saying US schools are predominantly attended by Christians.So, first a Catholic school, then a non-denominational school. I guess that makes him a watered down Catholic.Had the second school been a Muslim school, then I guess he would have been a Catholic Muslim.Heck, I graduated with a geology degree, but that doesn't mean I'm a geologist (although I do occasionally play one at certain internet locations).MooseEdited by Minnemooseus, : Change subtitle.

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How did Barack Sr. enroll Barack Jr. in these schools when he left the family when Jr. was 2?

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Buz, there are only 4 nations that you can call "Muslim" nations: Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, and Mauritania in Africa. However, none can be called Sunni or Shi'a Muslim nations because of their policies and laws because they all follow they same law, Sharia (Pakistan vaguely; they're mostly guilded by secular law.)Even if the US were a Christian nation (which it is not) you wouldn't say it is a Catholic Christian nation, or Protestant Christian nation, or Baptist Christian nation - it would just be a Christian nation.- Oni

This web page:Muslim world - Wikipediagives a list of 47 countries in which Muslims make up the majority.Of these 47, 7 are listed as "Islamic State" and 17 list Islam as "State Religion."Don't think I'd want to live in any of those, and probably not even visit.This brings to mind a passage from George Bernard Shaw's Caesar and Cleopatra (1898):

CAESAR (recovering his self-possession): Pardon him. Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

I went with Islamic Republic's of...But yeah, how could I forget Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Somalia too. I have done some corporate shows in a few of those countries, lots of comics do, you are missing out on a lot of beautiful and very safe places by having that opinion of muslims.Don't get me wrong, not all of those countries, but many of them are awesome places to visit. Jordan and Lebanon are my favs.- Oni

Does not wanting to visit in apply to all 47 or the 17?My "countries to live" in list is extremely small and excludes all countries that have a state religion. Few of them are great places to live for most protestants.

I stand corrected. It was our president's Muslim step dad who enrolled him in the two schools as a Muslim as I understand the latest research that I've done.It was after the divorce that his paternal father became atheistic. I'm not sure whether he publically denounced Islam, however or publically announced himself to be an atheist. One website stated that it was just assumed by most that he had become atheistic. I understand that this predominantly Muslim school required religious education. It required that students be enrolled in either Christian or Muslim classes. What is not noted in the media accounts is that Obama was enrolled in the Muslim classes, inferring that he was enrolled as a Muslim by his Muslim step dad who enrolled him. That is what makes sense. During the campaign, neither the mainstream media, he or his party wanted the sheeple to know the facts so they saw to it that only the info which would sound good to the sheeple voters would be aired.Obama and the mainstream Democrat oriented liberal media has propagated the stealth Islamic religion of our president.I've researched the pros and cons on this. After consideration of all that is relevant to this debate,
Daniel Pipes has summed up what appears to be the rational and most accurate conclusion.ABE:

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But on the larger issue of Obama's religious practices during his Jakarta years, it confirms the Times account. Note in particular three excerpts from Barker's article:

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"Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia" — implying he was an irregularly practicing Muslim.
"Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said" — confirming that he did pray in the mosque.
"Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family [said that] 'Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo'" — confirming that Obama attended mosque services.
All this matters, for if Obama once was a Muslim, he is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion who must be executed. Were he elected president of the United States, this status, clearly, would have large potential implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

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In sum: Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates my statement that he "for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father."

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Therefore, what MMfA calls the "Obama-Muslim falsehood" is in fact confirmed by both articles as truthful and accurate.

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Calling this a falsehood is in itself a falsehood.

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Come on Buz, get serious. I have attended services in a Mosque, and a Synagogue, and in Buddhist Temples, and in Greek Orthodox Cathedrals.What possible connection does that have to someones religions or beliefs?And again, if Obama was a Muslim, so what?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

I asked you a question back in Message 56:

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So your claim then is that Obama is perceived as a Muslim by Muslims? Do you have any evidence from Muslims to suggest that?

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