Bush's Shia Islamic War Vs Obama's Sunni War

As a rule of thumb, US Presidents don't have Muslim ancestors. As a rule of thumb, people aren't accused of being "stealth Muslims". As a rule of thumb, people aren't blithering paranoid idiots. As a rule of thumb, the posts on this forum are not made by you.So why are we having this discussion? ... unless, of course, there are exceptions to these generalizations.

In the Jewish tradition, it is the mother who determines that. That recognizes the far greater influence the mother has over the child throughout its formative years than the father has. I am sure that even in Christian families you will find that the mother will have much more say in religious matters regarding the children than the father will have.I do not know what Islamic tradition says on this matter, but that does not matter since it was his mother who raised him, not his father; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama:

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Obama was born on August 4, 1961, ... in Honolulu, Hawaii. ... The couple married on February 2, 1961, but separated when Obama Sr. went to Harvard University on scholarship, and divorced in 1964. Obama Sr. remarried and returned to Kenya, visiting Barack in Hawaii only once, in 1971. He died in an automobile accident in 1982.

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Parents separated and divorced by the time he was three years old. Father only visited him once, when he was ten years old. Who had more influence on Obama during his childhood, his mother or his father? His mother, obviously.Even if it turns out that Islamic tradition dictates that the father's religion must be the religion of the child, such traditions and religious laws are meaningless to anyone outside that religion. Unless they live under a religious dictatorship which imposes the dictates of that religion upon all, even those not of that religion.

I think you will find the tradition Buz mentions most common in some fundamentalist Christian cults where the Man is the Head of the Family.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin and ungrammer grammer

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

That, and there's never any question of who the mother is!

KENYA! KENYA, I'M SURE OF IT!!!!!111!! [/birther]

Why?It should be up to the child when he is old enough to fully understand what religion is. About 18 years old.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

As I understand it, to become a Muslim you must make a sincere declaration of belief, called the Shahada, which is basically saying "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger". This is the most important of the five pillars of Islam and must be done honestly and with full understanding of its meaning.Edited by Malcolm, : No reason given.Edited by Malcolm, : No reason given.

My comment pertained to Islam. I should have made that clear. Though it applied to Jews and Christians in ancient Biblical times, I'm fully aware that it doesn't apply today with Christianity. It does apply to orthodox Jews, as I understand.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

I believe that is true if one is not already a Muslim by birth in a Muslim family.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

So seeing as Obama was not born in a Muslim family, he can't be a Muslim by birth.

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

So your claim then is that Obama is perceived as a Muslim by Muslims? Do you have any evidence from Muslims to suggest that?

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"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

He was a Muslim and gave our president his Muslim name.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

He was an athiest and gave him an arabic name

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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He was a Muslim and gave our president his Muslim name.

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If we actually READ the article that Buz linked to we see that the places where the word Muslim appears are: (In the Early Life section)A quote from Obama's book My Spiritual Journey in
Reference 6: A reference to an offsite article - reference 12 "Obama’s father and the origin of Muslim name" - but the link is dead, and it would be bizarre indeed to rely on something implied by the title of an external reference over the actual text.And a category at the bottom: Kenyan former MuslimsOr maybe we should look for "Islam" - there are only three references in the article, two about Obama's grandfather and one in the sidebar providing summary information which says: So, except for the title of an offsite article - which Buz did not refer to or link to, every part of the source which says that Obama senior was ever a Muslim also states that he abandoned Islam. For Buz to "honestly" come to the conclusion that the article said that Obama senior was a Muslim at the relevant part of his life he would have to ignore the fact that every reference to Obama senior ever being a Muslim also says that he abandoned Islam. He can't even have read one complete sentence !(And need I point out that Obama senior gave his son his own name ? One need not be a Muslim to do that !)

No. When Barak was born, his father was a Muslim. That's when he named him names implicating Islam. Later he enrolled Barak in two Indonesian schools as a Muslim, first a Catholic school and then a Muslim school.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.