Evidence for Intelligent Design-is there any?

Huntard: "when they claim to have evidence that we are designed, and then don't show any, they are lying, and lying's not ok with their god and all that."
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Tony:
Life is not some kind of on going supernatural miracle or some magical unknown phenomena. Evolutionist might think it is more closer to being so then I do.Life simply is (Occam's razor) TECHNOLOGY. Life is a machine with programming - Fully automated systems. Such Technology can be copies by mankind intelligently. Can not be copied without intelligence.Not even one protein needed for life can be created without intelligent designing engineers.You can't even shuffle a box full of supplies to "intelligently create" what only artistic hands can create.1. The cell is a machine.
2. DNA is Genetic Instructions (software).
3. Life is an illusion of all that complexity (machinery)
4. Machines (big or small) are never naturally occurring.News flash: There is no Living Matter.
There is no reproducing Matter.

bluegenes: "Life copies itself without intelligence every day."
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TONY: So-called "life" can't even function without the super smart DNA programming instructions (Software - intelligence encoded).
Remove the DNA and find out how wrong you are.....

bluegenes: Natural selection doesn't shuffle randomly. There is an automatic bias towards what functions, and then towards improvements in function.
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TONY: There already is this thing can INTELLIGENT GENETIC INSTUCTIONS (basically smart programming. What changes you see are the result of this programming abilities to just name a few. Your lack out knowledge of programming and engineering is showing.Trying to copy the smarts of the DNA without the Programming has never been seen. It is impossible, Testable to be impossible, and is the most basic common sense logic that even a child can see that.

There is so much wisdom and knowledge built right into the programming it can create, yes, even intelligently design a human. The DNA systems function like a computer. We know this because we have copied its basic design and came up with a DNA computer.So if you’re DNA systems are a molecular computer running on logic pre-programmed commands - that is all the evidence I need. Logic is not naturally occurring. Intelligent thought is not a blind random evolutionary selection.There is no evidence that anything I can do intelligently can also be copied by some non-intelligent Evolutionary process.Logic programming is only a creation of an intelligent mind.

No, the programmer has left the building... There is nothing supernatural here, just bio-mechanical simplicity. All the smarts are now part of the programming instructions in the software DNA.
Why is it that one cell can single headedly create one whole human? Designer software of course!

TONY: We are talking here of a superior programmer coding automated intelligent software! Not human technology - superior technology fit for a God /great universal creator.

TONY: Do you want to bet on that one.....

Wow, lot's of posts to answer too and it's 10:00 pm FRI. Oh man...I am going to use my library forum to refer you to cut and past information that best answers your questions when my words are just not enough.

TONY: No one has ever shown that software of any kind can be produced naturally (non-intelligent source) that is basically superior to human knowledge.No one has ever shown bio-machinery can occur naturally to a superior design level then mankind can design intelligently.I have two points here.1# You underestimate the vast complexity of the DNA software, and the bio-machinery that stores the information, reads it, and creates the finished "product".2# Your dogmatic belief system is blinding your eyes from seeing the evidence is all around us - so clearly exposed.

TONY: No. God has a complex mind, with complex thought.
To create a computer that is self functioning and complex you need to design it from the ground up. Yes you need to start simple but the complexity increase on each level to create a fully functional, totally automatic MACHINE / computer.Note that all parts of the computer are intelligently designed - there are no natural designs (such things do not exist).So it is with life. Life is contrary to nature - all technology is forced designs against the "natural tendencies" of random/blind chemical happenings.The possibilities basically are the same for making a car verse making life without intelligence. What is the difference? Not much. If I create a door key, I create it large enough to fit in may hand. At the quantum level this is EXTREMELY large. The size should be the simplest problem because it is all the same metal, and that would be the easiest part.To make the custom key with a custom design to have a restrictive function is what intelligent design really is all about. Living systems have all kinds of molecular "keys" with highly restrictive functions. They're "created" out of dumb atoms, an "intelligent" automated functioning logic system for order and for design.Dumb atoms in themselves can do nothing, but can be used to create "Machines" that can act "intelligently" with stored information commands.Have you ever created a computer program like tic-tack-toe. You use dumb commands and create a logic structure of intelligent thought down in writing. The computer reads and does what is said. So my tic-tack-toe game might whip your butt, even though the computer is not intelligent in it's self or the programming as well. But my programmed logic in that game is more intelligent them many children, maybe even you for the first 15 minutes.Logic programming is contrary to nature. This is a undeniable principle understanding in true science. Intelligence in any form, alive and functioning person, a book, a software program are all - not naturally occurring (contrary to nature).

Old - TONY: "The DNA systems function like a computer." New - TONY: You must understand the complexity of the problem here. We have this little cell that can do things you could never do. It can create complex structures again and again on command that will for ever be beyond you intellectual abilities, both in size and structure.Information storage is of no value if never used, read, and acted on.
You already know life can not function without those DNA "instructions". So getting to know the a-z logic functions of the cellular machinery (factory) would help you not to put you own foot into your own month. Don't make me force you to eat your own words of stupidity. Watch those Youtub videos on DNA functions and learn a little more about God's universal bio-technologies.Lest I bleed you to "death" on the forum floor. (Joke) Oh Mr Jack.

To: bluegenes and b00tleg (if not all).TONY: Don't you just hate those religions that walk around so righteous, head so high and yet live by double standards. They have two sets of rules, those for them and those for all others.Well, The theory of Evolution is just that - just another bad smelling religion - two faced, self righteous garbage. With two sets of rules for nature.1# All the normal rules of science and nature we take for granted.
2# Special supernatural mystery phenomenon - where normal rules of every day life do not always apply. Where Abiogenesis can and does occur. Where molecular machinery can be spontaneous happen and where complex Information that is superior intelligent software logic commands just pop out of nowhere without any designer needed.When you bring in your religious dogma into a science forum there is going to be confusion in your head. Fact and fiction are two different worlds man. You need to separate the two.Abiogenesis is dead. Most wise "evolutionists" won't even touch Abiogenesis even with a ten foot pole now a days.If you think abiogenesis is still alive theory then lets clear that one up now. It's time you parted with your trash.

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Hi Percy, sorry I took so long to get to your post. Busy, and there are so many replies to my posts. Ouch.I disagree with your comments quoted above. I personally have my own thoughts (theory - reality).It goes like this: All reality is intelligently designed - so much so that it was necessary to build the complexity to such a high level so as to create the `look and `Feel` of something natural and real.Albert said: The physical reality is an illusion albeit a very persistent one.I have found this to be real and true. Physical life is not real, does not exist because you’re not really alive. You can not have living machines, but you can have machines the `think they are living`. So your living on what is really a lifeless planet - with just biotechnological machinery swarming everywhere. Made to look like the real thing, that never really existed anyway, but your not going to ever know that anyway, anyhow.Matter is not really physical though it looks to be so because it is designed to look that way. Energy fields are what atoms are made of not solid mass. So your living in an illusionary physical realm designed to give you a reality to exist. All is intelligently designed to look as real as possible, yet it is not what it seems.All things even mass must have a particle or something to create the illusion of mass. Science is now looking for that particle - Higges.This can get very deep...