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Author Topic:   Evidence for Intelligent Design-is there any?
dogrelata
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Message 75 of 220 (480982)
09-08-2008 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by LucyTheApe
09-06-2008 4:20 AM


Re: For you, does "intelligent design" = "creationism"?
LucyTheApe writes:
The only reason the concept of an Intelligent Designer is necessary is because we have Heathens trying to remove the significance of life, and the hope promised to our children.
Well at least this is honest. Finally we have somebody who is prepared to admit that ID exists solely to prop up a deep emotional need.

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dogrelata
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Message 120 of 220 (482375)
09-16-2008 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Straggler
09-15-2008 5:06 PM


Re: ***Bump***
Straggler writes:
ID/Crationists when will you realise that you have no argument, no position, no case and no point?
I think there is a point - the point is that these people need to believe. We can get as frustrated and exasperated as we like, but we can’t ever take away the need that some, even many, will feel.

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dogrelata
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Message 206 of 220 (485435)
10-08-2008 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Bio-molecularTony
09-29-2008 7:48 AM


Re: elements of the supernatural - impossible to examine?
Tony writes:
Intelligent people create simple and basic things more often then highly complex things. Man is simple, too simple. Man is not alive, but a machine designed to think he is. If this is true, I win you lose. For I am debating with a stupid machine that imagines it is a living creature, which exists in an illusion of reality so cleverly disguised as REAL. God has that made a fool out of all of you. The so call great debators lose by default for they are themselves not real persons, but artificial illusions of "LIFE", imagining there is no creator in there darkened minds.
The joke is on you... it is you that does not really exist (As living) creations.
All so-called life is technology - artificial - machinery.
What, you can't see it. That's too bad......
Tony, I have to ask whether you’re actually a computer program trying to pass the Turing Test?
. and if you fail, do you become Bio-degradableTony?

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dogrelata
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Message 215 of 220 (485736)
10-11-2008 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Bio-molecularTony
10-10-2008 9:39 PM


Re: All that is lacking is HONESTY
Tony writes:
All that man is (life) - screams INTELLIGENCE GREATER THEN MAN.
I think you need to make your mind up about whether you consider human being to be a form of life or not. In this thread you say:
Tony writes:
Man is not alive, but a machine designed to think he is. If this is true, I win you lose. For I am debating with a stupid machine that imagines it is a living creature, which exists in an illusion of reality so cleverly disguised as REAL. God has that made a fool out of all of you. The so call great debators lose by default for they are themselves not real persons, but artificial illusions of "LIFE", imagining there is no creator in there darkened minds.
The joke is on you... it is you that does not really exist (As living) creations.
All so-called life is technology - artificial - machinery.
What, you can't see it. That's too bad......
Go away and have a think about that and come back to us when you’ve made your mind up.
Tony writes:
We need supercomputers just to help crunch the coded information in the DNA programming so as to make sense of it all.
You’ve also touched on the idea that you believe DNA to be a coded programme similar to computer programmes in another thread. If you truly believe that, this must give you the opportunity to start doing some science rather than shouting your incredulity from the rooftops.
DNA mutates, hence bio-diversity. If you believe DNA to be a coded programme, you presumably believe the ”instructions’ to control mutations are part of the code. If you are serious about ID becoming a science, shouldn’t you be examining the ”code’ to try to determine how mutations are controlled? For example, are mutations:-
a) random
b) pseudo-random
c) following a specific instruction set
If a) is the answer, no amount of examination of the DNA record will unearth the ”coded mechanism’. However, should it be b) or c), analysis of the DNA record using code breaking techniques might reveal either the pseudo-random sequences or the specific instruction set used to control mutations.
If such a mechanism were to be revealed, predictions could then me made regarding future mutations for each and every piece of DNA in existence. If these predictions turned out to be accurate, it would add considerable weight to the assertion that DNA is a ”coded programme’, at least in the first instance.
Isn’t the above what science is all about, so what are you waiting for?
Edited by dogrelata, : Clarification

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