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Author Topic:   Evidence for Intelligent Design-is there any?
onifre
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Message 83 of 220 (481285)
09-10-2008 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Beretta
09-10-2008 9:59 AM


Re: Specified complexity
The problem is again in the philosophy of the evolutionist - it can't be designed because there is no designer so even when it looks like design by reason of its intricate organization, we call it 'designoid' or 'apparent design' as if you know for sure that something that truelly looks like design truelly can't have been designed.
That statement is always followed by "however, upon further study of said phenomenon we find that a perfectly good naturalistic explanation is found that removes the 'appearence' of design to the person working directly with the phenomenon."
So yes it may 'appear' designed, but no, after further study of it, its apparent that naturalistic causes are responsible. It has been pointed out to you in the past here on EVC that there are many natural structures on this planet that 'appear' designed but we know were caused my natural processes, so why do you continue to make a plee for the 'appearance' of design being actual proof for design?
Do you have evidence for design other than your opinion of how nature appears to look? I believe thats whats being asked.
Edited by onifre, : spelling

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onifre
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Message 139 of 220 (484129)
09-26-2008 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Bio-molecularTony
09-26-2008 7:37 AM


incredulous argument
Bio-Tony writes:
We are talking here of a superior programmer coding automated intelligent software!
This is a cop-out answer.
Basically what you're saying is:
"Im talking about a programmer that I have imagined to be superior because I personally can't see any other way in which anything can be coded naturally. I have never seen nor been shown evidence for the existance of said designer, but I have to imagine there is one because I cannot understand complexity without it."
This does not equal evidence...this is an argument from incredulity.
Argument from incredulity - Wikipedia
Not human technology - superior technology fit for a God /great universal creator.
Again, here you show some double talk. If it's comparable to human technology then it is not Godly in any way. Evolved apes came up with computer programs, if DNA was the result of some superior God-like programming then it, by definition, could not be comparable to anything humans designed.
And if it has no resemblace to human technology, then how do you know what you're looking at and judging to be superior? It would be beyond your scope of comprehension. Something equivalent to magic perhaps.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 160 of 220 (484364)
09-27-2008 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Bio-molecularTony
09-27-2008 10:51 PM


Re: circular reasoning
Bio-Tony writes:
Your own brand of logic just loves those circular reasoning that never end. The world has enough information about reality to take a stand on what is true and what will never be true. It’s time to drop the gonja (pot) and stand up and be counted. Time to pick a reality that is real and happening.
First, pick on me not pot, it has done nothing to you for you to be so negative towards it.
Second, the reasoning accessment I gave you was of your own words. You said, " The DNA systems function like a computer", (Message 128), then when you were called out on it you changed your opinion and said, "Not human technology - superior technology fit for a God /great universal creator"(Message 133).
Then I just asked, "how can you determine any of this to begin with?"
I'd like an answer if you don't mind...

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 176 of 220 (484422)
09-28-2008 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Bio-molecularTony
09-28-2008 2:09 AM


Re: Life is the GREATEST TECHNOLOGY we have ever seen
Bio-Tony writes:
Racing cars are easy to make, untill you have to make one to win the race.
Yet theres a whole sport dedicated to this and 100s of thousands of people build them everyday, and your point is what?
Life (cells) look so easy that some would have you think even nature could do it.
This is again an argument from incredulity, this is pointless dribble.
Till you learn what is being done right now in bio-labs arould the world you will not understand what we have here.
I don't know what you mean by this...
Life is the GREATEST TECHNOLOGY we have ever seen. They are stipping it down and coping it, redesigning its functions.
You are not answering any specific questions, nor are you tackling the issue of complexity equalling design.
Seems like you are just trolling.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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