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Evidence for Intelligent Design-is there any?

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RickJB
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09-04-2008 7:17 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Beretta
09-03-2008 10:47 AM

Everything you list is an argument against Evolution. Even if the ToE was wrong, that wouldn't validate ID by default.
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You have no positive evidence for ID, instead you rely solely on inaccurate ToE criticism.
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When presenting positive evidence for ID you should not need to make any reference to the ToE.
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09-04-2008 7:47 AM 		Reply to: Message 14 by LucyTheApe
09-04-2008 7:28 AM

Re: What other options are there?
Lucy writes:
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If there aren't any other theories then evidence against evolution, it seems, is evidence for Intelligent Design.
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No, because we could have been created by accident by intergalactic robots.
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RickJB
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09-04-2008 8:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 16 by LucyTheApe
09-04-2008 8:12 AM

Re: What other options are there?
Lucy writes:
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Fortunately robots don't do anything by accident, they only do what they're programmed to do.
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But these are special robots.
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You see, that's the thing - in lieu of any evidence I can argue for just about anything and you can't provide any counter-evidence. This is why ID isn't true by default. Without any positive evidence there could be other possibilities.
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09-04-2008 9:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 19 by Beretta
09-04-2008 9:28 AM

Re: The Cambrian Explosion
Beretta writes:
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We would expect everything diverse to appear complex and suddenly which is why it works far better for ID then it does for gradualism.
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According to what ID model?
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Picking at the ToE won't get you any closer to providing positive evidence for ID, but showing us your ID model will.
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09-04-2008 10:23 AM 		Reply to: Message 23 by Beretta
09-04-2008 10:06 AM

Re: What other options are there?
Beretta writes:
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Why? Evidence against the one IS evidence for the other....
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No. Even if you demonstrate evolution to be wrong then there could be other ways that, as you put it, "nothing created everything".
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You just have to consider that for a little while and apart from the obvious absurdities, that is all there is.
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Without any positive evidence of any sort of creator how can you truly know what is absurd and what isn't?
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