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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Evopeach
... living organisms are very complicated aggregations of elementary parts, and by any reasonable theory of probability or thermodynamics highly improbable. And yet here they are. Living organisms obeying the laws of thermodynamics and probability. There is nothing in the laws of probability or thermodynamics that preclude the existence of living organisms. As you said yourself they are "aggregations of elementary parts" and they happen to follow the laws of probabilty and thermodynamics. Living organisms are only complicated because they embody a vast array of these elementary particles under many different conditions. Since the elementary particles obey the laws it is unremarkable that living organisms should also. But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Evopeach
Of course his assumption of prepetuity after the fact is unconvincing because it assumes the first replicator could perform at the required accuracy. Let's see. I disagree with Von Neumann on the statement he makes and you respond curtly with his curriculum vitae. However you then do the same thing yourself and no problem right? Since you are fond of quotes and such let take a contemporary of von Neumanns shall we?
``...it doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are - if it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.''Richard P. Feynman Do you happen to know Feynman's C.V.? Does you have experimental verification peer reviewed and replicable? But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Evopeach
Does it mean he did not participate on the team at Berkley whose principal won a Nobel Prize for their work on the Tobacco Mosaic Virus In all likelihood yes. Observe.
Wikipedia Gish, a twin, was born in White City, Kansas, the youngest of nine children. He received a BS degree from UCLA in 1949 and a Ph.D. in biochemistry from the University of California, Berkeley in 1953. He is the author of several books and articles espousing the tenets of creationism. Gish was an Assistant Research Associate at Berkeley, and an Assistant Professor at Cornell University Medical College, before joining the Upjohn Company as a Research Associate in 1960 The Nobel prize in Chemistry concerning the Tobacco Mosaic Virus was awarded in 1946.John Howard Northrop, Wendell Meredith Stanley USA, USA "for their preparation of enzymes and virus proteins in a pure form"
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Wendell Meredith Stanley (August 16, 1904 - June 15, 1971) was an American biochemist, virologist and Nobel prize laureate. He was born in Ridgeville, Indiana, and earned a BS in Chemistry at Earlham College. He then studied at the University of Illinois, gaining a MS in science in 1927 followed by a PhD in chemistry two years later. As a member of National Research Council he moved temporarily for academic work in Munich before he returned to the States in 1931. On return he was approved as an assistant at Rockefeller Institute, the post he held until 1948. He later became Professor of Biochemistry at University of California, Berkeley, and in 1958 Chairman of the Biochemistry Department. Stanley's work contributed to knowledge on lepracidal compounds, diphenyl stereochemistry and the chemistry of the sterols. His researches on the virus causing the mosaic disease in tobacco plants led to the isolation of a nucleoprotein which displayed tobacco mosaic virus activity. wikipedia John Howard Northrop (July 5, 1891 - May 27, 1987) was an American biochemist who won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1946 (with James Batcheller Sumner and Wendell Meredith Stanley) for purifying and crystallizing certain enzymes. Northrop was born in Yonkers, New York and educated at Columbia University, where he earned his PhD in chemistry in 1915. During World War I, he conducted research for the U.S. Army Chemical Warfare Service on the production of acetone and ethanol through fermentation. This work led to studying enzymes. In 1929 he isolated and crystallized the gastric enzyme pepsin and determined that it was a protein and in 1938 he isolated and crystallized the first bacteriophage (a small virus that attacks bacteria), and determined that it was a nucleoprotein. Northrop also isolated and crystallized pepsinogen (the precursor to pepsin), trypsin, chymotrypsin, and carboxypeptidase. His 1939 book Crystalline Enzymes was an important text. Northrop was employed by the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in New York City from 1916 to 1961, at which time he retired. Northrop died in Wickenberg, Arizona. Perhaps you could connect the dots and provide info on how much he contributed if at all. Perhaps he ran for coffee and donuts. Perhaps you can conduct yourself with some grace or you could continue to verify to others that you are free from the ravages of intelligence eh? But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time. R.P. Feynman
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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Wounded King
No one is saying that Gish participated in the work that won the Nobel prize, all they are saying is that he worked with one of those that did. The 'their' in your quote from Evopeach is in reference to the principal's work not the team's. Certainly this is the case. My point, however, was that the implication that he participated with a member of the team at berkleywho had,previous to their connection. won a Nobel prize makes his participation on the team one of association with people on the cutting edge of biochemistry.This is no indication of how much he did contribute and this is what I was trying to arrive at. As for the paper which he worked with Stanley on.
Studies on the amino acid sequence of tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) protein. I. Fractionation of products of tryptic hydrolysis by countercurrent distribution. Arch Biochem Biophys. 1958 Dec;78(2):433-50. No abstract available. PMID: 13618026 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966] Now what did each contribute since there were three in all on this team? How important a paper was this and how much of the work and insight was attributable to Stanley himself? You will also note here in the Bio of Stanley from wikipedia
Stanley's work contributed to knowledge on lepracidal compounds, diphenyl stereochemistry and the chemistry of the sterols. His researches on the virus causing the mosaic disease in tobacco plants led to the isolation of a nucleoprotein which displayed tobacco mosaic virus activity. And that of Northrop also from wikipedia
In 1929 he isolated and crystallized the gastric enzyme pepsin and determined that it was a protein and in 1938 he isolated and crystallized the first bacteriophage (a small virus that attacks bacteria), and determined that it was a nucleoprotein. Northrop also isolated and crystallized pepsinogen (the precursor to pepsin), trypsin, chymotrypsin, and carboxypeptidase Now as for Gish we have this
Gish was an Assistant Research Associate at Berkeley, and an Assistant Professor at Cornell University Medical College, before joining the Upjohn Company as a Research Associate in 1960 No reference to any work that he did. Hence my poke in fun as to his contribution. This message has been edited by sidelined, Fri, 2006-02-17 06:51 AM But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time. R.P. Feynman
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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Evopeach
Duane Gish has scientific credentials. As a biochemist, he has synthesized peptides, compounds intermediate between amino acids and proteins. He has been co-author of a number of publications in peptide chemistry.1 I never said he did not. I was simply putting your misdirection of importance by association at rest for what it actually was.
If you had any class you would issue a public apology to Dr. Gish for your ignorant and uninformed ad hominem attack. I owe Gish no apology since the deceptive methods shown here are yours, not his. I will not apologize for your actions and I will certainly not apologize to you good sir. But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time. R.P. Feynman
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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Evopeach
You called him a hack and a fraud LOLYou have not been paying attention have you? Perhaps little details surpass your judgement on these things and you carry this on into your own work? Seriously, son, please make sure you know whom you are talking to before inserting your foot in your mouth.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Percy
Ahhh. you gave the answer away.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Evopeach
The issue I had concerned your linking with the nobel prize in chemistry to the name of Duane Gish as though this were an important point. It is not and this is really the crux of the matter.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Evopeach
I see a few people picked up on your hypocrisy and you're sqirming Squirming? In your dreams. This message has been edited by sidelined, Fri, 2006-02-17 07:46 AM
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sidelined Member (Idle past 6207 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Wounded King
P.S. I don't think the Nobel they won was for Peace. Thanks for pointing that out WK I don't know why that one slipped in.
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