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John Paul
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Message 58 of 59 (114455)
06-11-2004 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by arachnophilia
06-09-2004 8:04 AM


I will post this here also. This refutes what Arachno is saying about IC and subsystems:
What Behe really says-
"The key misleading assertion in the article is the following: Moreover, the individual parts of complex structures supposedly serve no function. In other words, opponents of design want to assert that if the individual parts of a putatively IC structure can be used for anything at all other than their role in the system under consideration, then the system itself is not IC. So, for example, Kenneth Miller has seriously argued that a part of a mousetrap could be used as a paperweight, so not even a mousetrap is IC. Now, anything that has mass could be used as a paperweight. Thus by Miller’s tendentious reasoning any part of any system at all has a separate function. Presto! There is no such thing as irreducible complexity.
That’s what often happens when people who are adamantly opposed to an idea publicize their own definitions of its key terms--the terms are manipulated to wage a PR battle. The evident purpose of Miller and others is to make the concept of IC so brittle that it easily crumbles. However, they are building a straw man. I never wrote that individual parts of an IC system couldn’t be used for any other purpose. (That would be silly--who would ever claim that a part of a mousetrap couldn’t be used as a paperweight, or a decoration, or a blunt weapon?) Quite the opposite, I clearly wrote in Darwin’s Black Box that even if the individual parts had their own functions, that still does not account for the irreducible complexity of the system. In fact, it would most likely exacerbate the problem, as I stated when considering whether parts lying around a garage could be used to make a mousetrap without intelligent intervention."
Without evidence your rhetoric pertaining to IC is very empty...

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