Fossil Sorting in the Great Flood Part 2

touche.man certainly didn't make the earth, however, it's a lot more likely man made "genesis"any flood-sorters wanna tell me how a flood some 4.5k years ago did stuff like this? or this?

god didn't give me the bible personally. i bought mine at the book store. actually, that's lie. i've never paid for a bible, i seem to get them for free.

why does the entire geologic column not look like a glorified flood plain?and more importantly, why do we have little flood events within the big one?why does the record show distortion that could not have been laid down in a level-sorting method, as the pictures i posted above show?and why are the strata sorted, when geologically, floods do nothing but jumble?

oh i dunno, maybe because you're arguing a BIG FLOOD. could that be it? i mean, you know, it was a miracle, i guess the laws of physics didn't really apply. yes. we'd expect one big flood. what we have is a lot of little floods of rivers, interspliced with all kind of other geologic activity. and no big flood. curious. yes, you do actually.if the distortion happened while soft, why do the inclusions, and mineral elements also distort? if it happened to mud, they'd shift, not bend.also, how come we can continue to measure the rates of distortion today? 190 days, including the 40 it rained.and uhh, i live in florida. know when it floods here? when we have a hurricane. as far as vulcanism and continental drift, we have geologic record of that.This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 07-03-2004 12:13 AM

the question is why already pre-solidified inclusions distort as well, if the overall distortion happened while the sediment is soft. funny, i thought we were talking about the bible here... i'm sorry, i didn't realize we were JUST MAKING THINGS UP.and the question is "why are there no signs of a big flood?" we're not talking about other stuff, we're talking about the flood. i don't care if there were a lot of comments, they're not gonna sort fossils based on things like tooth development. it's called geology. back on topic, you said floods weren't associated with things like hurricanes. i was relating to you stuff like the fact that miami was under about 3 feet of water a few years back, because of a hurricane. in fact, floods are ALWAYS weather related. even the bible claims that RAIN caused the flood.perhaps your question was meant to ask the last time my part of the state of completely underwater? if memory serves, about 10-15 million years, this part of the state was a thriving aquatic habitat. we have a lot of primitive whale fossils here, bookended on top and bottom with fossils of land creatures."ah-ha!" you say, "proof of a flood!" only they lived here, multiple generations. and, as you said, "there is, please brace yourself, a big world outside of Florida" which does not show evidence of being underwater at the same time.

becuase maybe god covers his tracks really well. maybe he specifically makes stuff to decieve us. is this a more logical conclusion from the lack of flood evidence? no one is saying the fossil record or geologic column is complete. afterall, the earth recycles itself, and eventually the lower layers melt.however, layers have been onserved all over the world. specific layers, which match everywhere, and contain the same types of fossils. in many places, the entire geologic column can even be viewed at once. welcome to progress. little things are fixed all the time.when was the last revision of the observed geologic column? never? the basic concepts of geology haven't changed in a long time. just some of the details and theories. the celestial object claimed to be responsible for the death of the dinosaurs impacted -- guess what? water.a six-mile asteroid impacting the planet is quite a significant event. it would have never touched the water it fell on, boiling it away into steam from quite a distance. it would have thrown up enough pulverized rock into the atmosphere to block the sun for a long enough period for plants and animals to die because of it. this dust would settle more or less the same, all over the world.we have a record of such an event in the geologic column. it's called the k-t boundary. we know it was long enough for things to die because dinosaur fossils go right up to the k-t bound, are found nowhere after. and we know it was from outer space because of the presence of iridium in quantities not found on this planet.this is a world-wide layer, unique in those properties all over the world.where's the flood layer? my house is built of concrete, and has stood up through a dozen hurricanes, if you really must know.take a look at the accuracy of the rock you're building your house on, and read something on its history. you might find you've gypped, as far as rocks go.

you know, including the data where it's been observed. or the data plainly obvious to someone with a small collection of hominid fossils.remember, the conclusion of evolution is based entirely on observed data. you can't just say it's not there. what did darwin just make stuff up, and paid everyone off to believe it?

not really, considering more than 2/3 of the planet is covered in it. the impact crater is partially off the coast the of the yucatan peninsula, and in the gulf of mexico. oh, the tidal waves must have been a surfer's wet dream, or maybe nightmare. but that doesn't equate to a world-wide flood, especially not one for 190 days. and the waves certainly wouldn't have gotten very far inland. thus, the "more or less the same" and not "exactly the same" if you fill the atmosphere with dust, and block out the sun, the plants die first. then the herbivores. meanwhile, the omnivores and carnivores have a field day. but then they die. this takes a little while.the only other possibility is that event killed everything basically instantly. which would make sense, seeing as how not everything died. crocodiles, for instance, made it through just fine. what?iridium is rare on earth, very rare. it's not found in any measurable quantity anywhere before or after the k-t boundary except in meteor impact sites.there's a lot of it in the k-t boundary, everywhere you look at the k-t boundary.floods don't bring elements not found on the planet, celestial objects do. simple answer? ANYWHERE. and what do you mean "which flood layer?" the bible speaks of ONE flood, not a lot of little ones. we've got a lot of local ones at different times. no big one. really? it's stood creationist arguments since the day it was thought up. it was actually apparently a response to a creationist argument from incredulity. did you know that? in the 150 some odd years it's been around, not one thing has even shook its basic principles. there's been debate over methods, rates, etc, but no one in the scientific community debates it happens. you get laughed at when you say that something doesn't happen that has been clearly observed.you said nothing to my challenge to read about the history of the bible, from people who study it, historians, and archaeologists. you might find that the bible doesn't stand too well for a very good reason. even if you believe god himself wrote the first draft, people have just plain messed with it on a gross scale for too long for it have retained an historical accuracy.the flood story is a good example. why do you believe a babylonian myth? actually, that's a good analysis of the christian fundamentalist, save for one things: the christian fundamentalist would also deny the fact that it's raining. what a silly theory that would be! what?and for the record, i'm a christian.

yes, well, the evidence strongly suggests that happened. what? i love how in order to make things fit, you have to CHANGE THE RULES. no, of course things were different back then! it's only a miracle, why not go all the way and say god's just trying to trick us now? my bible says that it rained 40 days, and then the water covered the earth another 150. and yes, we should. the world should look like giant flood plain. do you take objection to my saying that someone thought of evolution? someone thought of gravity too. the other ideas of the time to explain the observed evidence were lamarckism and intelligent design (or whatever they used to call it). me, because you make no sense, make silly claims like this with no backing, support, evidence or logic. hydrologic sorting neither happens nor fits the evidence. no, in the history books. explain to me why men sat down in councils to edit the bible? explain why incorrect translations exist. no, it's not a coincidence. the babylonian one reads exactly like noah and his ark too. only there's some difference. one, the guy's name is a lot longer. two, there are multiple gods, who fight amongst themselves. and three, it's not a rainbow, it's the milky way. the problem is that it's about a thousand years older than genesis. looks like the hebrew plaigarized a little.the other flood stories share little relation with noah. but this isn't the only kind of traditional story that's shared by a lot of cultures. another is the hospitality fable. two gods come visit, the town is mean to them, but one man and his family treat them nicely. the gods then reveal themselves, and kill everyone else, or reward the man and his family.sound familiar? lots of cultures have this story. what's the big deal? i love how insulting you are. however, just think what a wonderful evangelist you're being. not only do you not make any sense and make totally crazy unsubstantiated claims we've all heard before -- you're mean! well, this christ guy must be wonderful, since you're such a shining examples of his teachings.i suppose i'm going to hell too?

why is there more rock below the k-t line than above? why are modern species severl lacking below it, and only appearing very close to the top? what mechanism sorted all the fossils to look like the special creations formed a developmental order? plate techtonics and continental drift are still measured today, you know. it happens still. uhh, no, they're not. if they were, that theory would be accepted. scientist don't have it out for christian beliefs, just bad science.

this is proof of my earlier advice, that flood-ers should take a geology course. uh, i'm pretty sure ice ages LOWER sea levels (more water being solid at the caps), but i'll check on that. short of one gigantic miracle, which is exactly what they're claiming. i don't know why they bother trying to justify it with science that so easily discards the thoughts they present. why not just say "god did it, just to trick you, but we know better" ?of course, that would reveal that it's a religious belief.

oooohhhhhh!i should refrain from posting when i'm really tired and me reading comprehension skills are so low.yes, that's a semi-plausible explanation for the origin and commonalities of the story.

don't you always put the bottom layer of the cake down first, then the icing, next, etc? isn't it safe to assume the bottom layer of the cake was put on the baking sheet first? what about if half of the cake is ice cream? did both parts get made the same way? was it baked that way? was the ice cream made first, and put on the cake after?boundaries are NOT fictional. and layers are layers because they're different types of rock that are made by different processes. and unlike betty crocker may say, i've never made a cake instantly. there's a process involved.

i've wanted to hear the flooders' explanation for angular unconformites for a long time.