Fossil Sorting in the Great Flood Part 2

Hi Guys,
This is my first post. I am a Christian and this kind of debate fascinates me. First of all I am not a recent creationist at all.
'Flood geology' to me is full of flaws. Having studied geology at college seeing rock sequences, unconformities, evidence for ice age, wave cut platforms, isostacy, sea floor spreading etc..the earth has had a long history. However there is an explanation for the flood all recent creationists would have missed in the form of end of the last ice age. Sea levels rose by a staggering 80 metres. People would have been living in coastal areas depending on fishing, agriculture on fertile flood plains. There is plenty of evidence for extreme flash flooding in India just at the point of the end of the ice age and recently flooded cities off the coast of india have been discovered. In the UK one can still see flooded river valleys (look at the coast of Cornwall) and wave cut platforms due to Isostacy in Scotland..
There is absolutely no way that sorting of fossils in to one single event could ever happen. In geological time, the rocks that were laid down once subject to uplift and folding would be subject to erosion too. Thats why marine shale deposits can be found at the top of mountains. No mystery there.

I think he means the k-t boundary that is marked by the layer of iridium -- a rather short (geologically) duration event with a definite change between before and after.I have wondered before why more creationists don't take this tack. Of course there are severe 'kinds' of problems ... heh.

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by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Could be. It will be interesting to see just what he does mean. Only he can tell us.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

this is proof of my earlier advice, that flood-ers should take a geology course. uh, i'm pretty sure ice ages LOWER sea levels (more water being solid at the caps), but i'll check on that. short of one gigantic miracle, which is exactly what they're claiming. i don't know why they bother trying to justify it with science that so easily discards the thoughts they present. why not just say "god did it, just to trick you, but we know better" ?of course, that would reveal that it's a religious belief.

But you note he says at the end of the last ice age.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 07-06-2004 10:44 AM

to pick up the threadK-T boundary \ iridium layer and relation to the flood ...

Thanks all for your input. There were many folks so I will just answer questions without mentioning names.There would be no human fossils from the flood as they occupied a small area and the process leaves little room for fossil survival.Insects,fishes,reptiles vegatation are the same now as back then with only extinctions along. As for Mammals well they simply occupied restricted areas of the globe and so less likely fossilized. It was a different demagraphic distribution as the Bible hints at.
Of coarse,yes, all kinds before the flood survived the flood. Againd a different distribution of diversity.No Upper or lower creataceous boundaries. THe layering of Rock kinds is a human interpretation of Rocks in the field. In fact the only boundaries are those separated by events. Like with a layered cake. The layered cake is made instantly not one layer everyother week.yes also one Rock sequence before the flood. There would be no geological activity until the flood.
Also Above the K-T line is very little rock development as it would be the post flood world that created that rock./ Seldom and mostly volcanic. Likewise fossils in those rare areas are of the post flood world.The creationist model can not be beat and all questions conquored.
It is in line with revealed religion of the most siccessful people in history. And so only prohibition keeps us from dominating the interpretation of past events. Perhaps this will soon change.

You still have not answered the question. Is the Flood event

1. K/T boundary"
2. Lower margin of Cretaceous level?
3. Upper margin of the Cretaceous level?
4. the whole Cretaceous level?

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How do you explain the definite multiple layers of sedimentary rock above the K-T iridium layer, post flood, and the mechanism by which the sediment became rock in just a few short years?

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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What evidence do you have to support this or did you just pulled this out of your butthole? Um... no. Mammals can occupy far more diversed climates of the earth than insects and reptiles. Try to guess why. Let me give you a clue. It has something to do with exothermic and endothermic.

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oooohhhhhh!i should refrain from posting when i'm really tired and me reading comprehension skills are so low.yes, that's a semi-plausible explanation for the origin and commonalities of the story.

I don't think that a smaller human population and a restricted geographic range is out of line with the over all story of genesis. In that case one would not expect human fossils (certainly not widespread anyway).We'll have to see how it fits with the other available evidence.I might also note Lam that you missed the real question.

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There would be no human fossils from the flood as they occupied a small area and the process leaves little room for fossil survival.

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Evidence of this please.

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Insects,fishes,reptiles vegatation are the same now as back then with only extinctions along.

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So why isn't there grass fossils in every layer?

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As for Mammals well they simply occupied restricted areas of the globe and so less likely fossilized.

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There are mammals on every continent. There are mammals that live in every extreme, hot to cold, high to low. Why wouldn't it have been the same before the flood?

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It was a different demagraphic distribution as the Bible hints at.

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Chapter and verse? Is there extrabiblical evidence of this? Again, we find grasses and mammals in almost every ecological system. Only in the coldest extremes to we find the lack of grass, and even then we find mammals. Again, what evidence is there of this different distribution. Remember, you must have evidence before you can make a conclusion.

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No Upper or lower creataceous boundaries. THe layering of Rock kinds is a human interpretation of Rocks in the field. In fact the only boundaries are those separated by events. Like with a layered cake. The layered cake is made instantly not one layer everyother week.

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Please show us evidence of a catastrophic event creating the layering we see in the geologic column. Remember, evidence first then conclusion. And also, it is one layer every other millions of years in some cases. This is what the EVIDENCE has led us to.

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It is in line with revealed religion of the most siccessful people in history. And so only prohibition keeps us from dominating the interpretation of past events.

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Modern science has been the most successful tool for developing new technologies and explaining natural phenomena. Can you name one discovery that would have been impossible without first assuming that God was the creator? I'll give you a hint. There are no such discoveries. Only through the use of methodological naturalism has man succeeded in accurately portraying the natural world, and using it to better humanity.

So all kinds that existed before the flood survived after the flood?

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"No Upper or lower creataceous boundaries. THe layering of Rock kinds is a human interpretation of Rocks in the field. In fact the only boundaries are those separated by events. Like with a layered cake. The layered cake is made instantly not one layer everyother week."I have to refute that one. Come with me for a field trip and you can see a whole succession of events. Not every sedimentary rock was laid down under water. Take the old red sandstone in England dating back to the Devonian (345 to 395 million years ago) This is basically a fossilsed desert complete with sand dunes, garain sorting and none of the levels are parallel. the rock is red because the iron in them was exposed to oxygen having formed above ground. Could you show me by an experiment or someother means you get complex geological formations from event?
I could recommend a good book by Alan Hayward "creation and evolution, the facts and the fallacies". I believe in a creator God, but not in the interpretation you are holding on to.