I want one good reason that being gay is ok

riVeRraT writes:

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If I was making bombs in my basement, you wouldn't like it would you, even if I never planned to use them.

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So now gay people are like bombers?Is there no negative stereotype you won't use to compare to gay people?Is it completely beyond you to come up with a loving, mutually consenting and respectful relationship as a comparison?

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

You are worng about that. Go and ask a rabbi. It is well documented what is meant by that verse.
It is different.Your not saying that God, said we are God's are you?

Does it hurt your parents if you have gay sex and they don't know? Hell, I don't even tell my parents about my straight sex. Smoke up. I won't stop you. Marijuana is a self-correcting problem, anyway.

Them's Babyback PORK ribs too.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

we had an argument one time in my high school drama class, it was me versus "jesus boy" for the most part. you know the sort, i'm sure. wears those tacky name-brand shirts, but with religious crap changed for brand names? like "Jesus" instead of "Reeses" and "Spirit" instead of "Sprite?"anywho, it was about the play at our local u called "corpus christi" about a gay man and his twelve friends that had a lot of strong religious imagery. the question the teacher posed was "can you be gay, and still be a christian?"his assertion was "no." i ran him in circles for about an hour.he said "to be a christian you have to repent, which means giving up sin. you cannot be a christian and living in sin."at which point i complimented him on his new haircut, and exclaimed that since leviticus also says "thou shalt not round off the corners of thine head" that he also was living in sin, and cannot be a christian.the obvious response was "but christ was a new covenant, and we are no longer held to the old laws" which of course is not at all what christ himself said, but"if you can cut your hair and eat your pork, people can be gay and still be christians"This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 07-02-2004 11:41 PM

No but thats what you just implied. Yes there are many. Its not the Loving or respectful part that I am looking for a reason to be ok with. Go read my original post.Its the act of gay sex, oh great master of putting words in ones mouth.

riVeRraT writes:

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I haven't really learned about any gay animals that mate for life.

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I gave you a reference.Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity by Bruce Bagemihl. It details over 400 species.Why didn't you go look it up?

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So we agree on that one then?

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No, we don't.There is no end to the diversity of sexual activity in the rest of the animal kingdom. There are those that will screw anything that moves and even anything that doesn't (frogs) and those that will pair for life (storks) and everything in between.So why is it surprising to find humans engaging in sexual activity?

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

it most certainly does.unless, of course, you're asserting that you come from a family much more screwed up than your "screwd" friends who have gay parents.

Maybe it does. Whos to say it doesn't. You want your kids doing it(smoking pot)?
Being gay could be self correcting too, I know people that have changed, and not comitted suicide.

My answer was clear and I wasn't comparing it to something else. I was lumping many activities into one unified moral code. You could have asked about just about anything and I would have given you the same answer.As far as suicide is concerned it shouldn't be illegal. In fact Oregon has passed legislation to make it legal and in spite of the justice departments best efforts it has withstood judicial scrutiny. Of course Dr. Kevorkian is still in jail but that is a different story.

i dunno, i'd just think that being gay would normally be counter-productive to reproductive success, and thusly tend to get weeded out unless the population has grown too much.of course, it might have other effects that make it successful reproductively and therefore selected for. perhaps psychological, or communal, such as with the bonobos?

riVeRraT writes:

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It doesn't hurt my mother or father if I commit suicide does it?

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So now gay people are like those who commit suicide?Is there no negative stereotype you won't use when discussing gay people?Is it physically impossible for you to use a positive, loving, mutually-caring and respectful relationship to compare to gay people?If it were to hurt your mother and father if you converted to Islam, would that be a reason to prevent it? If it were to hurt your mother and father if you married someone of a different race, would that be a reason to prevent it?

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

sorry I must have missed that one. I was waiting for it, so I could go learn some more about it. You too have missed my point on the animal kingdom. I am saying that it is not a good reference or standard for us to live by, as we would have to then do all the things that animals do, like rape steal and kill. we do those things, but we decided, or God told us, or whatever you want to turn the history of law into, that it is not good things to do.

You are partially correct. Smoking pot doesn't hurt anyone (with the rare exception of the individual smoking). The _ONLY_ reason that engaging in the buying and selling of drugs is in any way dangerous is because it is illegal. It was dangerous to buy and sell alcohol in the 20's but now it isn't, why is that?

No you said it.Stop beating around the bush rhain, give me one clear cut reason that being gay is ok. Come on, all your friends are watching. Don't compare it to anything else, just one good reason.We could go on quoting each other for another 300 posts, but I don't want to do that, just cough up a reason.