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Author Topic:   I want one good reason that being gay is ok
Dr Jack
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Message 190 of 510 (122111)
07-05-2004 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by riVeRraT
07-05-2004 10:33 AM


No, because it is off-topic.
It's not off-topic at all. Crash's example cuts right to the chase.
Under any reasonable system of government you do not need a reason that something is OK to allow it, you need a reason it's not to stop it. The fact that gays want to be gay, and want to have their relationships recognised in law is all the reason that's needed.
Since neither of us lives in a Theocracy (thankfully!) your religious opinions on the matter are totally, and utterly, irrelevant and rightly so.

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Message 209 of 510 (122353)
07-06-2004 6:04 AM
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07-06-2004 5:35 AM


Re: Yea! them too
In Australia it is only legal for a man to have sex with a kangaroo if they're drunk.
Really. It is.

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Message 225 of 510 (122593)
07-07-2004 7:15 AM
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07-07-2004 7:12 AM


Wow! There's nothing like words from your imaginary friend to settle an argument. What's that Eggbert? Being gay is ok? Cool, well that settles the argument.
That is off-topic, and I see no need to do that.
It's not off-topic. You're just avoiding the argument. Doesn't exactly make your side look strong.

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Message 234 of 510 (122604)
07-07-2004 7:45 AM
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07-07-2004 7:16 AM


They are not onlt my religious opinion. I have felt that way before I believed in God, I stated that from the begining.
Mere personal prejudice is also not a reason.
But again, people will look to put down christians and their belief's.
Not all Christians join in your prejudice, I have gay Christian friends as one example, Canon Geoffery Jones being a more prominent one.
Besidea that fact, by God's standards it is not ok, we are discussing that in another thread.
Your opinions on what your imaginary friend thinks are not a basis for the passing of laws restricting others lives.
Yes, God has a right to be in government, we are discussing that in another thread too.
God cannot be in government. His so-called representatives may be, but he cannot be unless he changes his ways and starts proving his existence.
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Message 241 of 510 (122613)
07-07-2004 8:16 AM
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07-07-2004 8:09 AM


I think most gay couples do not even want any children ( I wonder why?). So straight couples who cannot re-produce seek medical help to correct the problem, do gay people? No, and that is why you cannot compare the 2. This is also part of the reason why same-sex marriage, is not a marriage at all.
Apart from Lesbian couples who have children through AI, or Gay couples who find a surragate mother, or gay couples who adopt that is.
What about straight couples who get married but don't want to have children? Are they not OK too?

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Dr Jack
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Message 242 of 510 (122614)
07-07-2004 8:19 AM
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07-07-2004 8:16 AM


Oh, and:
What about old people who are now infertile, should they have to stop having sex? Are their marriages no longer marriages?
What about people who choose to get themselves neutered, are they no longer OK?

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Message 255 of 510 (122630)
07-07-2004 8:57 AM
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07-07-2004 8:49 AM


From the KJV: Genesis 4:5 "for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

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Message 257 of 510 (122633)
07-07-2004 9:00 AM
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07-07-2004 8:56 AM


But you have been given a reason, time and time again - the same reason it's ok to do anything else: things are ok to do by default.
Gays want to do it. That's all the reason that is needed.

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Message 263 of 510 (122640)
07-07-2004 9:21 AM
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07-07-2004 9:09 AM


Before everyone starts jumping down my throat and defending aids, and homosexuality, wouldn't you all agree that you have more a of a chance of being injured from having gay sex than bowling?
Ah, but you didn't say 'gay sex' you said 'being gay'. Being gay in and of itself carries no greater risk than being straight.

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Message 276 of 510 (122656)
07-07-2004 9:40 AM
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07-07-2004 9:36 AM


Thats a different topic. Besides, the rubber can still break. They are taking a risk. This is a problem because here you have people who don't want a baby, yet do the act that would make a baby, and could possibly wind up with a baby.
Contraceptives fail very occasionally, yes. That's what abortion is for.
Tell me, do you think that is really ok?
Yes.

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Message 277 of 510 (122657)
07-07-2004 9:41 AM
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07-07-2004 9:23 AM


I do apologize again, the subject here is gay sex, if I refer to the word gay, I am speaking of the act of being gay, which is gay sex.
Gay sex is also no more inherently risky than straight sex (remember gay sex is not equivalent to anal sex, no more than straight sex is equivalent to vaginal sex).

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Message 283 of 510 (122667)
07-07-2004 9:50 AM
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07-07-2004 9:48 AM


Kissing is having sex.
No, it isn't. Not in common language usage.

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Message 284 of 510 (122668)
07-07-2004 9:51 AM
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07-07-2004 9:49 AM


Everything is ok, by default, you need a reason it is not ok.
However, a reason: they enjoy it.

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Message 289 of 510 (122675)
07-07-2004 10:10 AM
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07-07-2004 9:53 AM


That makes it ok for them, not me or the rest of society.
Wrong. Society should accept any action that an individual wishes to do as ok, except where there is a strong opposing reason.
There is no strong opposing reason in the case of practicing homosexuals.

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Message 291 of 510 (122681)
07-07-2004 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by riVeRraT
07-07-2004 9:28 AM


His existance can be proven at any given time. You must go and find it for yourself. I cannot do it for you or God.
That is irrelevant, unless God comes dome from heaven and starts walking around he cannot be in government.
If you want God out of government, then you want atheism in, thats your God(assuming, please clarify). Why do I have to have it your way?
No, no, yes and no.
I believe secular government is the best kind. Secular doesn't mean atheistic, it means religously neutral, so the opinions of your imaginary friend (or a Muslim's, or Hindu's imaginary friends) don't carry any weight. You can be religous and in government. You can express views that come from your religious beliefs, but the source is moot in government. I don't have 'a God' that being the whole point of Atheism, and all.

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