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Author Topic:   I want one good reason that being gay is ok
arachnophilia
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Message 29 of 510 (121387)
07-02-2004 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by riVeRraT
07-02-2004 11:43 PM


psalms 82
6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'
7 But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler."
Note god with a small "g" is different than God with a big "g"
actually, no, it's not.
the word being used in psalm 82 is 'eloyhim. this is the same 'eloyhim ("God") as in genesis 1:1. a lowercase title. it is however different from Adonai ("Lord") and different from YHVH ("LORD"). but uh, no, for the purpose of translation, it's no different from "God" big g.
Nice try.

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Message 41 of 510 (121412)
07-03-2004 12:19 AM
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07-03-2004 12:01 AM


I also know of many children who are fine with their parents, and they are usually Christians.
actually, i find a strong correlation between fundamental christian parents and screwed up kids. i know quite a few that have done a number on their children, personally.
i know that your argument is complete bs, from personal experience.

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Message 44 of 510 (121415)
07-03-2004 12:21 AM
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07-03-2004 12:10 AM


But it is a scientific and obvious fact that the human organs are fit for same-sex sexual activity. Gay people have absolutely no trouble engaging in sexual activity. Since gay people can and do have sex, it necessarily is the case that the human body is made for gay sex.
is that something that can be naturally selected for?

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Message 46 of 510 (121417)
07-03-2004 12:23 AM
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07-03-2004 12:12 AM


You can't procreate with same gender sex
unless you're the lesbian lizards of arizona and nevada. they do procreate with only females.

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Message 49 of 510 (121421)
07-03-2004 12:24 AM
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07-03-2004 12:13 AM


I will gladly stand before the throne and say that I supported Homosexual Marriage. Then I'll offer to buy him a beer and a slab of ribs. Lobster on the side.
i doubt that.
lobster is an abomination, don't ya know?

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Message 50 of 510 (121423)
07-03-2004 12:26 AM
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07-03-2004 12:24 AM


Re: One good reason (and this goes beyond being gay)
Then why is it illegal to commit suicide?
it's not.
what are they gonna do, sentance you to death! hahahahaha. sorry.
it is however illegal to jump off a skyscraper in new york city.

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arachnophilia
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Message 65 of 510 (121442)
07-03-2004 12:40 AM
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07-03-2004 12:29 AM


Re: I'm straight, but you're still bent
ALL SINS ARE FORGIVABLE
I agree with that.
we had an argument one time in my high school drama class, it was me versus "jesus boy" for the most part. you know the sort, i'm sure. wears those tacky name-brand shirts, but with religious crap changed for brand names? like "Jesus" instead of "Reeses" and "Spirit" instead of "Sprite?"
anywho, it was about the play at our local u called "corpus christi" about a gay man and his twelve friends that had a lot of strong religious imagery. the question the teacher posed was "can you be gay, and still be a christian?"
his assertion was "no." i ran him in circles for about an hour.
he said "to be a christian you have to repent, which means giving up sin. you cannot be a christian and living in sin."
at which point i complimented him on his new haircut, and exclaimed that since leviticus also says "thou shalt not round off the corners of thine head" that he also was living in sin, and cannot be a christian.
the obvious response was "but christ was a new covenant, and we are no longer held to the old laws" which of course is not at all what christ himself said, but
"if you can cut your hair and eat your pork, people can be gay and still be christians"
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Message 68 of 510 (121445)
07-03-2004 12:43 AM
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07-03-2004 12:34 AM


It doesn't hurt my mother or father if I commit suicide does it?
it most certainly does.
unless, of course, you're asserting that you come from a family much more screwed up than your "screwd" friends who have gay parents.

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Message 71 of 510 (121449)
07-03-2004 12:47 AM
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07-03-2004 12:34 AM


I have no idea. It may be drift. It may be that the various structures involved are somewhat related and thus affecting one affects all the others.
i dunno, i'd just think that being gay would normally be counter-productive to reproductive success, and thusly tend to get weeded out unless the population has grown too much.
of course, it might have other effects that make it successful reproductively and therefore selected for. perhaps psychological, or communal, such as with the bonobos?

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Message 76 of 510 (121456)
07-03-2004 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by riVeRraT
07-03-2004 12:38 AM


You are worng about that. Go and ask a rabbi. It is well documented what is meant by that verse.
It is different.
no, it's not. look it up yourself.
'eloyhim is a commonly used term, and is applied to alot of things spiritual and often false gods.
Your not saying that God, said we are God's are you?
sure, why not.
quote:
So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him;
don't forget this one:
quote:
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil
don't ask me. that's what the good book says.

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Message 79 of 510 (121459)
07-03-2004 12:51 AM
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07-03-2004 12:39 AM


Them's Babyback PORK ribs too.
i must have missed that.

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Message 82 of 510 (121462)
07-03-2004 12:52 AM
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07-03-2004 12:32 AM


Re: One good reason (and this goes beyond being gay)
Yes it is, and it makes my point that what doesn't hurt anyone else its ok theory is invalid.
I want a clear cut answer, without comparing it to something else.
you brought it up. don't look at me.
also, it's illegal because it causes traffic accidents.

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Message 84 of 510 (121466)
07-03-2004 12:56 AM
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07-03-2004 12:50 AM


It was dangerous to buy and sell alcohol in the 20's but now it isn't, why is that?
because they got the mod out of it by legalizing it.
alcohol is still a dangerous substance that causes a lot of harm to society (think dui accidents). it's legal because they couldn't control it.
the bedroom, however, is even farther out of the jurisdiction of the gov't. to enforce sexuality would be a violation of the 4th amendment.

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Message 89 of 510 (121474)
07-03-2004 1:00 AM
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07-03-2004 12:54 AM


NIV, you know the "wrong bible" has it like this:
haha, beautiful. niv has a lot less errors than kjv, did you know that? and besides, i was looking at the hebrew words. "God" big g and "god" little g are THE SAME WORD. the capitalisation is an artifact of dogmatic translators.
as far as god -- 'eloyhim -- goes, there are lots. it's a weak title, and means everything from angels, to kings, to just about anything.
but there is ONE YHVH 'eloyhim, and ONE Adonai. see the difference?
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Message 91 of 510 (121477)
07-03-2004 1:02 AM
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07-03-2004 12:56 AM


Re: One good reason (and this goes beyond being gay)
So does gay sex while driving.
Sorry couldn't resist that one.
lol.
so does all sex while driving. it's called "reckless endangerment" and "driving under the influence"
I didn't bring it up originally. Many have claimed that if it doesn;t hurt anyone else, then its ok. But this is not true for everything. Also it can hurt some people to an extent, but no more than other choice in life.
explain to me exactly how two gay people being married hurts you?

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