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Author Topic:   I want one good reason that being gay is ok
Glordag
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Message 496 of 510 (126326)
07-21-2004 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by coffee_addict
07-21-2004 1:19 PM


Re: Sad but true
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the fact that the victims are women make them, at the very most, Bi? I mean, last I checked gay men weren't raping women/girls. I mean, I guess you could argue that women rape other women, but I'm sure there are statistics to prove this argument false, lol.

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coffee_addict
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Message 497 of 510 (126327)
07-21-2004 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 493 by riVeRraT
07-21-2004 5:33 PM


Re: Sad but true
the rat writes:
He means that statistics lie.
No, statistics don't lie. However, the people that interpret the stats sometimes do.
This brings me back to my earlier question. So far, I'm the only one that has provided at least some shreds of evidence for my claims.
Without any evidence whatsoever, how can buz, skeptic, and yourself support your claim that homosexuality = pedophilia?

The Laminator

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SRO2 
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Message 498 of 510 (126334)
07-21-2004 5:58 PM
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07-21-2004 5:46 PM


Re: Sad but true
I would think homophobes are more likely to be pedaphiles. Considering that their primary driver for hatred of homosexuals is likely to be their discomfort with their own sexuality, logic follows that they would be the most likely to go to extremes to prove to themselves that they are not gay. My understanding is that pedaphiles are rarely gay.

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mike the wiz
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Message 499 of 510 (126344)
07-21-2004 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 486 by purpledawn
07-21-2004 11:03 AM


Re: Respect the Person
Bottom line: This is why being gay is OK in our secular culture.
The real issue for a christian, is not really the "gay" part. All fornication is not acceptable according to the bible. Therefore, the only sex that seems to be "ok" is the married variety. It's like the NT says, the flesh fights with the spirit, that's the the war between them. Because the spirit will despise the flesh. To an un-spiritual person, there will be no despising or war, because the spirit has laid down and given up the fight.
Nevertheless, your quote above is also bibically accurate somewhat. Because if there is truth to being born "gay" then that in itself is not wrongful, yet the deeds thereoff are not justified, just as they are not for a man born straight and who then fornicates. So, the fight of flesh and spirit is still prevailant and/or necessary. Therefore your comment is unnacceptable;
Abstaining from sex is more unnatural than having sex. Just like purposely abstaining from food is unnatural.
That's just the flesh's way of saying, "it's natural - therefore acceptable". But nature will not justify anything. Therefore, the truth is; That I can live for long without sex, yet I cannot without food. Therefore, sex is not needful - but food is. Yet I am the robot? What???
I find it interesting that Christians tout that God gave us free will because he wouldn't want robots, and yet, they feel that everyone should have blind faith without reason.
And this has to do with??
A robot - is most definitely one who cannot control his flesh, and obeys every natural desire because he is weak. Now surely you yourself have just said it is natural to have sex, and therefore you implicate justification of the flesh (therefore we are positioned awkwardly us biblists when concerning gay issues)--> (Nevertheless, I see the gay man as innocent as the straight one untill he obeys his flesh). Does your secular reasoning mean if I am born serial killer it is natural for me to rape? - the KEY is that we bring it to God, so then there is no justification of evil through nature. Because the nature of this world is of the enemy.
The real issue is lust - and you are a lusty robot who has given up your spiritual fight. Now lust leads to many evil things; rape, serial killers etc..Now all this is because you cannot fight a natural urge. Now who is the robot!!!!!!
So a gay man to me is no big deal, yet satan would have it so it is a big deal, therefore satan thinks he has an "out" in justifying fornications. But there shall be no out, nor any justification of the flesh. Fornications are natural you say? Yet the diseases they spread are also natural - and we are not for the natural - we are for the spiritual. Therefore, it is not wise for you to say "it is natural" because nature is what our spirits war against. Therefore - there is no justification through nature. For even diseases and murderers share the natural position. So then you fight the blind fight for satan, with a wrongful argument.
If I am born gay, and I bring it to God, then where is the problem? For if I am born straight then I am equal to the gay person - Yet if I fornicate, will I say "I am justified because it is my nature". Why ofcourse not, for both are one and the same thing - the natural world.
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Message 500 of 510 (126367)
07-21-2004 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 499 by mike the wiz
07-21-2004 6:36 PM


Re: Respect the Person
All fornication is not acceptable according to the bible. Therefore, the only sex that seems to be "ok" is the married variety
Then clearly you and others who believe this way are the ones pushing hardest for same sex marriage. While those, like myself, who don't mind a little fornication now and then don't really care about same-sex marriage. Right?

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mike the wiz
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Message 501 of 510 (126375)
07-21-2004 8:23 PM
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07-21-2004 8:07 PM


Re: Respect the Person
No, I'm not pushing for anythin though Ned. If anyone wants to fornicate now and then, then that's their choice. If gay people want to marry, then again - I say nothing. All I'm doing is saying what the bible says, which is my duty. If people want to ignore what it says, then that's their choice.
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purpledawn
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Message 502 of 510 (126376)
07-21-2004 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 499 by mike the wiz
07-21-2004 6:36 PM


Re: Respect the Person
quote:
Therefore your comment is unnacceptable;
RiverRat didn't want justification from a religious standpoint. He already knows what his religion says.
quote:
Therefore, sex is not needful
Just for reproduction and continuance of the species. If you believe that God created nature then why wouldn't nature be justification?
quote:
My statement: I find it interesting that Christians tout that God gave us free will because he wouldn't want robots, and yet, they feel that everyone should have blind faith without reason. Isn't that a robot?
There was a question at the end of that.
Doesn't a robot do what it is told without reasoning?
quote:
Now lust leads to many evil things; rape, serial killers etc..Now all this is because you cannot fight a natural urge.
I could die from lack of surprise!
Do you consider rapists or serial killers to be mentally stable people who just had a major lust overload and went amuck?
I considered this thread to be dealing with mentally stable people who have a different sexual preference. I don't believe that rapists, serial killers, etc. are considered to be mentally stable people.
Because we live in a civilization, any natural urge we follow has to stay within the laws of our civilization. Homosexuality is not in the same ballpark as rape or serial killing, so stop going there, it isn't a viable argument!
Are rape and serial killing truly natural or a product of civilization?
Do animals kill just for the sake of killing or is it for the purpose of food and self defense?

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mike the wiz
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Message 503 of 510 (126382)
07-21-2004 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 502 by purpledawn
07-21-2004 8:27 PM


Re: Respect the Person
Listen, I thought my post made it clear that gay/straights are equal to me. I mean, do I have to shout it. So why don't you believe me?
If you believe that God created nature then why wouldn't nature be justification?
I only said that sex isn't needful, as in; you can live without it, whereas you cannot live without food. Yet sex is meant for one particular thing according to the bible. So using it for rape because you are born sicko - won't justify the evil acts you then take.
Didn't also, nature produce disease,illness, lusty robots etc.. Yet when God made it - he made it good. God's kingdom ISN'T of this world. Christ cast out natural diseases!
Nature is against spirit according to the bible. Otherwise Christ would have said to go forth and spread your seed, with fornicaions etc.
Do you consider rapists or serial killers to be mentally stable people who just had a major lust overload and went amuck?
Well, would a rapist not have lust???
Would a serial killer whom derives sexual pleasure from sadism, not have lust?
Most killers INDEED know good from evil, otherwise they would make it known what they had done.
Because we live in a civilization, any natural urge we follow has to stay within the laws of our civilization. Homosexuality is not in the same ballpark as rape or serial killing, so stop going there, it isn't a viable argument!
NO, infact it's a strawman of my position by you. Because what I am infact saying, is that gay people will not be justified in their sexual actions because of being gay ANYWAY. So the real problems we face (biblists), is the flesh versus the spirit, lust versus love - etc.... THAT is what I am saying. So this whole "you're against gays" is rubbish.
It is foolishness to say; "They are justified, yet the straight man isn't". Yet the world infact says that both are justified in their lust.
Christ says not to fornicate/adulterate etc... Can you deny this?
So now you can see, that according to the bible by just being christian we are obviously adherers to what Christ says about these things.
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coffee_addict
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Message 504 of 510 (126447)
07-22-2004 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 496 by Glordag
07-21-2004 5:41 PM


Re: Sad but true
Hey Glordag, are you 10 years old?

The Laminator

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Message 505 of 510 (126449)
07-22-2004 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 492 by riVeRraT
07-21-2004 5:31 PM


Re: Respect the Person
I really don't consider 2 guys, or girls getting together in a union, a real marriage. It is not a traditional marraige. They had to change the definition of marriage to make it one.
LOL
You gotta be kidding on that on.
It is the folk like you that are trying to get the "Defense of Marriage Act" and the Constitutional Amendment passed to change the definition of marriage.
I just don't want it to be called a marriage, that is important to me.
In otherwords, you want to impose your strange beliefs on everyone else.
If people don't like me because of what I believe in, then they are the ones with the problem, not I.
Nobody give a rats ass what you believe. It is only when you try to impose your strange beliefs on the rest of us that we get upset.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 506 of 510 (126470)
07-22-2004 1:54 AM


Time to give topic a rest?
I'm thinking that it is time to close both the homo v hetero threads and give the topic a good long rest. The other thread is, I believe, #4 in a very long series. Any comments or concerns about this?

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coffee_addict
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Message 507 of 510 (126474)
07-22-2004 2:03 AM
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07-22-2004 1:54 AM


Re: Time to give topic a rest?
I don't really care about it for now. I'll let other people, especially idiots like SkepticToAll (I am only exercising my right just like skeptic), decide on this one.

The Laminator

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SRO2 
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Message 508 of 510 (126475)
07-22-2004 2:04 AM
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07-22-2004 1:54 AM


Re: Time to give topic a rest?
FINALLY! It was growing tedious...I'm not gay though...well, I might be with Lam if he helps my wife with the dishes and keeps a neat room.

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coffee_addict
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Message 509 of 510 (126480)
07-22-2004 2:18 AM
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07-22-2004 2:04 AM


Re: Time to give topic a rest?
Hahahaha! I live like a pig. By the end of the last semester, my dorm didn't have a single horizontal surface. My prince charming better be nice and neat!

The Laminator

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SRO2 
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Message 510 of 510 (126483)
07-22-2004 2:28 AM
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07-22-2004 2:18 AM


Re: Time to give topic a rest?
You definitly ARE the coolist buddy! If I was gay I'd want to be just like you.

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