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Topic: "...except in the case of rape or incest."
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 6 of 301 (295190)
03-14-2006 10:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 4 by nwr
03-12-2006 6:19 PM
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I always assumed that, for many of them, the real issue is that the woman ought to be required to bear the child as punishment for her sexual sins. The real issue is killing an innocent life in the name of convenience, like the Nazis and the Jews, but with the US Government's approval.
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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All the more reason not to have them wouldn't you say?
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 14 of 301 (295259)
03-14-2006 2:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by nator
03-14-2006 11:54 AM
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So how do you propose we punish women who get abortions (and the people who perform them) if they become illegal? Should we convict them of murder and execute them?
That is up to the legislature to decide, but second degree murder sounds good. It is the sentence Scott Peterson recieved for killing his unborn son.
REDWOOD CITY, Calif. ” A judge formally sentenced Scott Peterson to die by lethal injection Wednesday during a dramatic proceeding in which raw emotion poured from nearly every participant but the convicted double-murderer himself.
This message has been edited by Tal, 03-14-2006 03:01 PM
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 15 of 301 (295260)
03-14-2006 3:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by nator
03-14-2006 11:54 AM
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double post :/ This message has been edited by Tal, 03-14-2006 03:00 PM
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Actually the real issue is terminating an unwanted condition. "Innocent" and "life" are rhetorical terms used by those who have no real argument beyond their own desire to impose their beliefs and values on others. Interesting. Then why was Scott Peterson convited of 2 murders? According to you his son would be simply an "unwanted condition." Hell, his wife was obviously an unwanted condition; and he should be able to kill his wife because, after all, I don't want to impose my beliefs and values on him. This message has been edited by Tal, 03-14-2006 03:10 PM
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 19 of 301 (295267)
03-14-2006 3:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by nator
03-14-2006 3:09 PM
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That's going to be quite a few 9-26 year old girls and women convicted of second degree murder. You interested in sending thousands of girls to prison?
The difference between a partial-birth abortion and murder is 6 inches. The fact remains the same: You have still terminated a human life simply because you didn't want to take responsibility for your actions (pre-marital unprotected sex). You play, you pay. To answer your question, yes. If someone breaks the law they should be punished. I work in Law Enforcment and that is how I see it. This message has been edited by Tal, 03-14-2006 03:14 PM
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 24 of 301 (295277)
03-14-2006 3:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by nator
03-14-2006 3:26 PM
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Ooo you got me there! lol
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 26 of 301 (295280)
03-14-2006 3:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by nator
03-14-2006 3:23 PM
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This is in order to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
You play you pay. I don't support the government doing anything relating to sex. That should be for the parents (competent parents anyway)to *gasp* teach their children about sex and its CONSEQUENCES. Have an unwanted pregnance? Either keep the kid or give him/her up for adoption. There are plenty of couples out there that can't have kids of their own that would jump at the chance of adopting. The answer is definately not to scramble the kids brains and crush his skull. Here's a theory: Don't have sex until marriage. I did it. I now have 2 wonderful children and good, solid family life. Who taught me about sex? My mother did when I was 8 years old. All the gory stuff too. It wasn't just jack and jill make a baby jack somehow. I guess that was her nursing and biology degrees coming into play. I didn't rely on the government to tell me how to make my decisions or what the consequences would be. This message has been edited by Tal, 03-14-2006 03:37 PM
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 27 of 301 (295282)
03-14-2006 3:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by JustinC
03-14-2006 3:31 PM
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Re: thoughts on another controversial topic
You can't just throw it in the garbage. Do you disagree with this? No, so called "Pro-Choicers" have to agree with this if their logic about ending an "unwanted condtion" is to stand the test.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 48 of 301 (295485)
03-15-2006 9:57 AM
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People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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You're absolutely right. The government has no absolutely business deciding for you. That's pretty much what being pro-choice is all about.
Except when it comes to killing other people. The Government does have the right and the obligation to set laws that protect people from killing other people. I can't pick up a sniper rifle and go shoot abortion doctors. The government DOES have the ability to decide that that is unacceptable behavior in society and can place penalties on that act.
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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