"...except in the case of rape or incest."

Actually, I would help her out even after the baby was born. I'm just that kind of person.Would I drive her to an abortion clinic? I've already said I was pro-life. I'm not rabid though."Would you let her stay at your house if your house was nearer to the abortionist than where you lived?"I think you meant to say would I let her stay at my house if it was closer to a abortion clinic than where she lived. Of course! Why not?Does my benevolence stretch that far? Hold on. Ill have to measure it. Let's see...I need some rulers, I need to know it's circumfrence...

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Hi, Ludo.

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Not meaning to stir up debate. Just giving the info.

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No need to keep saying this. There's nothing wrong here with stirring up debate, and certainly no problem with seeming to stir up debate. This is, after all, a debate board.-Nice reply. Yes, translations are tricky. I will assume that you realize that there isn't a prophecy in Isaiah that the Messiah would be born of a virgin.I wonder if arachnophilia will get involved now? He knows a lot about classical Hebrew.-

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My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the Earth, your eyes saw my unformed body.

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Wow. This is so close to some common mythologies. Taken literally, it certainly brings to mind of the myth of the underworld where the dead live until they are reborn. I wonder, what were the myths of the area at the time when this psalm was written?

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

How much would you put into his college fund? Would you play catch with him? Teach him to drive?

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"what is it about american babies that you think nobody wants?"I never meant to say something like that. It's just at times when a couple want to adopt, and they have the ability to adopt a child here, they may at times adopt a child overseas instead, which means that a chance for a child here to be adopted is closed.Nothing wrong with american tikes last time I checked.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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How much would you put into his college fund? Would you play catch with him? Teach him to drive?

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How many diapers would you change? Would you hold his head while he vomited? Would you pay for his prescriptions and check ups? Would you take care of the kid during the day (or arrange for child care) so his mom could go to work?

Except when it comes to killing other people. The Government does have the right and the obligation to set laws that protect people from killing other people. I can't pick up a sniper rifle and go shoot abortion doctors. The government DOES have the ability to decide that that is unacceptable behavior in society and can place penalties on that act.

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People don't kill people
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Absolutely, your breakdown of the issue is great.

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Hey Chiroptera The prophecy of the virgin birth in Isaiah is in Isaiah 7:14. From what I have heared, the Hebrew word does not mean "Virgin" but "Young Maiden" or "maiden" as the Updated NASB says in it's footnotes. In the Book "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: Volume three, Messianic Prophecy Objections" by Michael L. Brown, it goes in depth on this word in the original classical Hebrew as well as the context. He states that the Hebrew word in question-'almah-can refer to a virgin, but doesn't specifically mean "virgin". It seems the primary relation to this word is adolescence, not virginity (see page 20 of the same book.)This guys blows out of the water the idea that this disproves the importance of the virgin birth in this chapter though (starts page 17, ends page 32)and when it comes to adolescence, Mary of the New Testament still fits the Bill, since people in Palestine during New Testament times where legally able to marry at 13 years old for a boy and 12 years old for a girl (See "Nelson's Illustrated Encyclopedia of the Bible" by John Drake, page 96 under "Monogamy")Now the typical Israelite marraige was usually between an almost 20 year old man and a girl in her early to mid teens (Page 41 of "Holman Bible Handbook) though this must have changed under the Romans in NT times, given the much earlier ages that people where marrying at that time period.As for the myths of the area: The Jews of the Old testament didn't believe that you either went to Heaven or Hell when you died. Indeed, at first the Hebrews didn't have any concept of an afterlife. They viewed people like most Christians view animals today in one aspect: When you die, that's it! Later the concept of an underworld developed, a place that was gloomy and dark, know in the Old Testament times as "Sheol" which was said to be under the Earth(see "Nelson's Illustrated Encyclopedia of the Bible" page 164, and pages 1482-1484 of "Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary: Completely revised, updated and expanded)This verse might be hinting that before our bodies are formed in the womb, our souls/spirits are formed in Sheol by God. It is a possibility.I cant think of other people's beliefs surrounding the afterlife during that time around Israel, save for the egyptian and Greek religions, but I've filled this post enough. Be back.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

When there is actually another person involved who can be killed, you're absolutely right.Of course, now I don't really see the relevance of the whole "I don't support the government doing anything relating to sex" thing. Only if you can show that it is, in fact, unacceptable behavior.

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And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
-Andrew Bird

If I married her, yes. That would be what we call a "white knight" but more than likely I dont think something like that would happen. I would help in some ways, though not in everyway.Plus I could hit er up with a good guy. Or find a couple that would want the child if she didn't. It would depend on the woman in question.I could also send the infant off to be a guinea pig for scientific experiments.... :Twisted:

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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The government DOES have the ability to decide that that is unacceptable behavior in society and can place penalties on that act.

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Just like Stalin's Russia!

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

Schrafinator: see my last post LOL.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Women don't need to decide what they do with their bodies... they just need a good man to take care of them! I hear this is much like asking someone to help you move. Sure it's a bit much to ask, but if you offer to buy them dinner or something, they'll usually be happy to raise a child for eighteen years.

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"We had survived to turn on the History Channel
And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
-Andrew Bird

Oh boy, I knew I would stir up some sht today. Do women need a good man to take care of them? No, they a good paycheck. But extra income couldn't hurt.BTW: You didn't debunk my "sending the infant off to scientific experiments done to it" argument. Hehe"women dont need to decide what they do with their bodies..."I thought they already did. After all they show them on playboy...

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

See, that's just it. You're putting arbitrary restrictions on their choices that necessitate an extra income.In other words, whether you intend to or not, you're saying, "You don't need that choice, you just need a man." *shrugs*If it results in a race of genetically engineered super-mutants, I'm all for it.

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"We had survived to turn on the History Channel
And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
-Andrew Bird