Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?

yes, faith, dead people are dead people and palestinian and israeli blood both cry out for vengence and mercy.
you have very little of the latter.blood is blood. dead children are dead children. bombed residences are bombed residences. sorrow is sorrow. pain is pain. agression is agression. anger is anger. peace is peace. mercy is mercy. love is love. forgiveness is forgiveness. truth is truth. it is truth and education and mercy not guns and hatred and lies that will free our civilization from the torment of the past and the divisions of religious dogma.

The border between Lebanon and Israel is almost 50 miles long, and right now there are about 2000 Ghanaian and Indian troops under the UN stationed along the area.Tony Blair has been trying to get an even larger presence sent, but one Great Power has been standing in the way of implementation, the US. In addition, at the G-8 meeting Tony Blair suggested that maybe he could go to the area and negotiate a cease fire, but he was shot down in flames, by Georgie Bush, who also began the converstion with "Yo, Blair. How are you doing?"

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palestine has no army. guess what? they're all civilians. just armed and angry civilians. israel bombs palestine claiming self defense.palestine bombs israel claiming self defense.curious, that. israel wants control the holy land.palestine wants control of the holy land.curious, that. actually, it appears that you again are the one blindly clinging to false dogma. you happen to think israel's claim to the holy land is valid, and that their god is closer to your god. you agree with their claims of self defense.you have not shown that their claims are valid. just that you agree. and because you agree with them and not the other people claiming the same exact thing, anyone who steps back from the dispute and says that both sides aren't exactly innocent is "just being politically correct."yeah. sure. it's a war, faith. it's been war for several thousand years. neither side is without blood on their hands. jews good, islam bad! i think you're the one glossing over the realities of the situation. you've done this consistently in your tenure here. israel is innocent, palestine is evil. "us and them" mentalities are rarely accurate, and never present the realities and the details of the situation. good v. evil seldom happens in the real world.and you've consistently glossed over the parts of the history where israel displaces palestinians from their own land, conquers their country, and establishes its own state. gee, i wonder why they're pissed.Edited by arachnophilia, : typo

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Have you seen the latest civilian death tolls buz?200+ Lebanese vs. 24 Israelis.Hezbollah has managed to kill an average of 4 Israelis a day since the conflict started. Are you seriously claiming that's the way to destroy a country? There's as much chance of me killing an elephant with a pea-shooter.Your repeated claim that the survival of Israel is at stake is unmitigated bullshit. There is no possibility of Israel being destroyed.Lebanon, however is another matter. Israel is in the process of turning a fledgling democrary into a failed state.Kind of ironic considering how much Bush has talked about the dangers of failed states recently.

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Jar, you're heading towards 11,000 messages and a large portion of them are stuff like this. As Faith has stated, this info has been supplied in threads on that topic as well as similar stuff from the Sunnahs and Hadiths which are deemed by Islamic leaders and clerics nearly as important as the Quran itself. It's in the archives for you to search but not the topic perse here.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Okay Buz. Let's head towards the topic. And remember, Islam and the Qur'an are deemed off topic by none other than Buz.Why is Israel getting away with these attrocities?

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1. Most of Hezbolla's missiles are not accurate and Hezbolla knows it. They target civilian areas and fortunately many don't hit buildings.2. Terrorists tend to operate from civilian areas hoping to use the civilians as shields so when Israel goes for them civilians are killed. Israel does not intentionally put civilians in harms way, but they have to hit where the Hezbolla is and if they are in civilian areas, they are the blame for the deaths of their human shields.3. Israel is winning the war, inflicting damage where damage needs to happen. In war stuff gets broken and people get killed. The winners inflict the most damage. That's the way it's been forever. LOL! The only reason Israel isn't being destroyed is because they are kicking butt on the would be destroyers. LOL again. Lebanon's fledging democracy was already destroyed by Hezbolla to the point that the democratically elected government couldn't even disarm this paramilitary terrorist organization as per UN resolution, holding Lebanon hostage.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Are you being deliberately dense about this buz?That's the whole point.Like I said all the way back in Message 80 Israel is at least a generation ahead in military technology. Guess what that means - nobody in the region can defeat them. Join the dots slowly now - Israel can't be beaten, therefore it can't be destroyed.That's why your claim about Israel's survival being at stake is such crap - even if everybody and their dog in the rest of the Middle East wanted to destroy Israel they don't have the capability of doing it.

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I missed this piece of charm at first.I'm glad you find the deaths of over 200 civilians funny.Tell me buz, is it the fact they're dead Arabs or dead Moslems that you find so amusing?You disgust me.

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maybe i'm missing something here, but this paramilitary organization happens to be an official political party in lebanon -- they are the democratically elected government. am i the only that sees the logical problem with this, apart for the obvious disgust? israel is kicking everybody else's butts faster and better than anyone can attack them -- and they're the victims? israel is allowed to destroy everyone else, in case everyone else tries to destroy them? sounds like you're playing favourites.

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This article by Yoram Schweitzer of The Institute for Counter-Terrorism (which is based in Israel and isn't exactly a bunch of bleeding heart, left wing, pinko communits liberals) gives you all the answers you want up to 2001.I don't know what the figures are since then - obviously Iraq has slewed the figures considerably and the Tamil Tigers declared a ceasefire later in 2001 so their contribution was static for a few years.History of suicide attacks: Advent of modern suicide bombings: How many attacks: So prior to the Tanil Tigers declaring a ceasfire in 2001 the mostly Hindu Tamil Tigers were responsible for around a third of the suicide bombings there had ever been.In a related article to the one above Schweitzer makes this observation: (The LTTE is the acronym of the real name of the Tamil Tigers)

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And from your Message 184: Ok, so let's go through this.Hezbollah is explicitly targeting civilians and probably wants to kill as many Israelis as possible. I doubt many people would disagree with this. The sum total of their effors so far is 24 Israelis killed.Israel is not targeting civilians and in the same time period has killed over 200 Lebanese civilians.To me this leads to one of two conclusions.First option, the Israelis response is massively disproportionate. They have killed around nine times as many Lebanese as they have had killed without even trying.Second option, the oft-repeated claim that Israel doesn't target civilians isn't true.My suspicion has been for many years that the actual situation is that while they don't target civilians explicitly they also don't care how many are killed, hurt, displaced, ruined or whatever by their operations. This may well be because the years of oppressing the Palestinians generally and demonising the Palestinian terrorists who resist has engendered a view of them and their suffering as less important than that of Israelis - in fact they are regarded as sub-human.I also don't have any dount that what is happening in Gaza and Lebanon is a form of collective punishment - and that is targeting civilians in a way.

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Anyone care to make a prediction on what will happen next (beyond Hezbollah and Israel trying to knock the crap out of each other and one causing a lot more damage than the other)?Mine is that assuming Israel isn't pulled back by the US (which I don't see happening) then they will knock out the water supply and sewage systems of at least Southern Lebanon and Beirut. This won't be done directly by hitting the water supply/sewage works - that would make it too obvious what was going on = but by collateral damage or knock on effects. This could actually be as simple as taking out enough power stations and electricity distribution infrastructure to stop electricity reaching the water/sewage plants.Removing water from a population is a very effective way of exerting pressure on them - particularly large urban populations.Of course, this has already happened in Gaza. Last night on HardTalk on the BBC News 24 channel there was an interview with the Palestinian chief peace negotiator Saeb Erekat who said that as a result of the Israeli bombing of Gaza's only power station there was now no sewage processing happening and that there is a real concern over disease outbreaks.Given how crowded Gaza is I'd say they are right to be worried. It;s an interesting question - if cholera or something does break out how many will be left to die before Israel is made (by the US) to allow the Palestinians to get power back on, let foreign aid and medicines in and so on?It's pretty clear Bush takes the Israeli view that Palestinian lives are less valuable than Israeli ones, maybe this will finally allow us to set an exchange rate.

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Presumably you forgot to add 'any more' since the Israeli military has a documented history of using palestinian civilians as human shields in the most literal way possible, see this article in the Guardian and this website from B'Tselem an Israeli Human rights organisation.TTFN,WK

The Phillistines are Palestinians, and they've pretty much always lived side by side the Israelites/Israelis. Goliath was a Philistine (Palestinain). However, the bloodline is different. A Palestinian, or a Phillistine, is supposed to mean somebody that lives in Palestine/Phillistia. But it has synthesized to mean a certain type of people, i.e., a race. And the inhabitants of current day Palestinians are a mix between Arabs and Assyrians. Arabs coming from Saudia Arabia and Assyrians coming from Syria. In other words, the old worl Phillistines have nothing, or litte, to do with modern-day Palestinians in biological terms. That's probably where the confusion lies. Hope that helps.Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : No reason given.

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